Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Casey Anthony: What Makes her Lie?

Casey Anthony

It's now been almost three months since 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was reported missing by her grandmother, Cindy. Caylee's mother, 22-year-old Casey, has told story after story, lie after lie, in apparent attempts to explain how her daughter disappeared and why. Her first of many believed lies named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, the single mother of six children, as Caylee's long-term baby sitter who, for some unknown reason, absconded with Caylee, this while dragging her six children along with her. One woman bearing the name of the now believed mythical babysitter has been fired from her job and is suing the Anthony's for besmirching her name by suggesting she, someone who had never met the Anthony's, was Caylee's kidnapper. Investigators have released hundreds of pages of investigation, video and audio tapes and cel phone records to substantiate their belief that one and only person is likely responsible for Caylee's missing person status. Casey Anthony.

What's to Gain?

What does Casey have to gain by rolling one lie after another? Her freedom is one. Although she has been charged with relative minor offenses related to child neglect and bad checks, she has stood up to months of questioning and the belief of most that she is somehow responsible for her daughter's likely demise, but the challenge for investigators is to prove their beliefs, their theories, and put together physical evidence that can prove to a jury that one; Caylee is dead, and two, that Casey had anything to do with her suspected death. How do you keep a secret? Do something by yourself and tell no one the truth about what you did. Some people are just better at this than others. And now there are rumors of a $2 million dollar made for TV movie deal for the Anthony's and their attorney. Should this be true, it is but one more indictment of a society gone wild that lives vicariously through sad stories such as this. Allowing the Anthony's to make money on the disappearance of Caylee just seems even too morbid for the television, but as we've seen over the years, just about anything sells on TV.

Friends of Casey question how she could have lived a life revolving around booze, sex, and partying while allegedly conducting her own one-month, one-person search for her missing daughter, someone Casey referred to as "the little snot head." Many professional and pop psychologists, as well as friends and family members of Casey have suggested their collective belief that she is a pathological liar. What is it that makes people believe this about Casey and what's the difference between a pathological liar and, as others have stated, a compulsive liar?

Pathological Liars

A Pathological liar says whatever he or she wants to say with minimal concern for the truth. After all, it is all about them anyway. Such a person wants only what is best for them with little concern for others, to include, in the extreme, their own children. They lie about the little things, they constantly change their story while appearing to believe every new version they roll out for public consumption. While they may fool you at first, after all, we want to believe in others, once you get to know such a person you learn not to believe anything he or she says. You also learn never to expect this person to "confess;" it's simply not in their emotional vocabulary to do so. Many see a pathological liar as extremely cunning and totally self- centered, exhibiting the traits associated with someone said to have a histrionic personality disorder, one that includes attention seeking and inappropriate seductiveness. A woman challenged with this disorder is dramatic, enthusiastic and very flirtatious, even sexually provocative while constantly needing the attention of others, especially men. Because such a person may need constant stimulation and excitement, they often place themselves in risky situations.

Compulsive Liars

A compulsive liar simply lies out of habit. Lying represents learned behavior that has become so comfortable that the truth simply escapes or evades such a person. The compulsive liar is not nearly as manipulative as a pathological liar and may not be as narcissistic (it's all about them) as their pathological counterpart. The compulsive liar simply lies out of habit, out of convenience without the psychological need to always control and influence others. This person does not demand the spotlight be constantly on them, they just want to get by as easy as possible, but their form of and reason for lying can be just as destructive to relationships as that done by pathological liars.

So where, if anywhere, does a person like Casey Anthony, as portrayed in media reports, fit into these definitions, and how do you get such a person to tell the truth? Casey's behavior seems to go beyond that of simply lying out of habit, i.e., she appears to lie to get her way and to cover up those "truths" she wishes others not to know. When you consider that such a person is totally self-centered, i.e., they are the sun and we, the planets, simply rotate around them, the only time such a person tells the truth is when they are one: totally backed into a corner with nowhere to run to and nowhere to hide, and two: when they are convinced that the truth, or as much as they are willing to tell, is to their and their lone benefit. As an FBI Agent, I've interviewed many such individuals. These are long, multi-part interviews that can take place over days, weeks and even months. The investigator needs to construct a scenario that allows the subject to minimize what he has done and/or to find a logical reason to have done what he did. You need to show understanding for what the subject did, perhaps suggesting that their action was not only reasonable, but appropriate in such a situation.

Motive

Let's consider missing Caylee Anthony. Based upon the information known to the media, some have suggested the following scenario, based upon the evidence to date, to explain the loss of young Caylee. Casey, a single parent, allegedly did not want to give birth to Caylee, but was persuaded to do so by her mother, Cindy. As a young mother, Casey's desire to live out a storybook like life involving men and fun was severely hampered by having to care for Caylee. Most parents, especially young, single mothers know how time consuming child care can be, and how one can yearn for a life without the responsibilities of parenthood. Casey's social life, i.e., her dating life was tremendously limited by her parental responsibilities. As an FBI profiler, I consulted on the 1994 Susan Smith case. It was Smith, then the 22-year-old mother of two young sons (ages 3 and 14 months), who wanted a relationship with a man who had no desire to take on her children. To solve her problem she had to rid herself of her children so she rolled her car, with her two young sons still strapped inside, into a local lake and then reported that her car had been carjacked with her children inside. Even though local authorities, during their search for the missing boys, indicated they had checked all close by bodies of water, the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit felt that Smith had somehow "disposed" of her children, probably in some lake vs. by burning the car, etc. with the boys inside, this as the latter method would not have been consistent with Smith's profile. Smith, who remains in prison today, suffered from a borderline personality disorder, one of four such disorders to include narcissistic, histrionic, and antisocial personality disorders.

Means

Investigators (and Casey's family members) have indicated that the family car used and abandoned by Casey had the smell of death, of human decomposition when recovered by Casey's parents. Investigators do not believe this smell came from old pizza or two dead squirrels that somehow found their way into Casey's car. No, they believe that the smell of death was consistent with evidence found in the car trunk of human decomposition and human hairs believed to be identical to Caylee's. Next it was reported that evidence of chloroform was found in the same car trunk. One expert has indicated that a practice common among young parents is to put their child to sleep by doing like they have seen done in the movies or read on the Internet, by soaking a cloth in chloroform and putting it over the child's nose or mouth, causing the child to lose consciousness, thereby allowing the parent to leave the child alone, knowing he or she will sleep while the parent parties all night long. This practice is obviously dangerous as there is obviously no way to accurately measure how much chloroform the child has injected. Too little and the child awakens in the middle of the night without his parent present. Too much, the child dies.

And the Ultimate Truth is…

Only one person really knows what happened to Caylee Anthony; the last person who was with her and who, as most tend to believe, disposed of her body. Whether that person is Casey Anthony or some yet to be identified other, we just don't know, or, in reality, we just can't prove at this time. Prove that Caylee is dead and prove that Casey or someone else was directly responsible and you can take this case to court. Should Casey have the answer, she need only keep it to herself to frustrate the investigation and keep herself out of prison. Should investigators eventually develop irrefutable evidence that links Casey to her daughter's death, then they may have some inroad to bargaining with Casey. Susan Smith eventually confessed when her story fell apart, but Casey has many stories, both old and new. If she is the sole owner of the truth in this case, time will tell if she ever owns up to the truth. All she needs to consider is what does she ultimately have to gain as, after all, this is all about her…

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{"commentId":3295811,"authorDomain":"jesca34492"}

I think if you left me in a room with Casey Anthoney for a couple hours I would be able to beat the truth out of her! :)

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    Reply#1 - Fri Oct 3, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
    {"commentId":4024453,"authorDomain":"mayablue88"}

    Jen D-

     Many of us feel that this case should be ending with this young mother in jail.  However, beating the truth out of her makes you no better a person than Casey Anthony.  Where does your kind of justice end? I feel horrible when parents end the life of their own child for ANY reason, let alone the lame partying, selfish reasons Casey has.  I do not, however, walk in this woman's shoes and a lynching party takes us back to times in history where it was deplorable conditions for many  races, gender and overall civil rights abuse.  Truth WILL prevail on it's own.

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      #1.1 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:43 PM EST
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      {"commentId":3298556,"authorDomain":"magnumpi"}

      Wow!  Please tell us something we don't know.  As usual Clint Van Zandt's commentary is filled with a lot of talk and nothing really said. 

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        Reply#2 - Fri Oct 3, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":3321852,"authorDomain":"gustavo5080"}

        Since I arived to this country in 1973 I admired the detectives procedures, to get the truth from the suspects, but in this particular case I guess they are faling or they allowing this criminal mother to do what ever she wants with them and the law

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          Reply#5 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3401657,"authorDomain":"cvz"}

          Misty, I appreciate your multiple postings but they don't really say anything different...

          What I post is like the frame of a house that investigators must build their case around.  Facts and not just personal belief is what's needed to indict Casey for a crime.  As Gustavo says, it's hard sometimes to imagine how someone can so manipulate the law.  The truth is that investigators want people to talk, i.e., say anything that they can run down concerning the suspected crime.  You obviously want the truth, but the more lies that are told, the more you can eliminate a number of investigative theories and besides, the investigators can testify to what they were told by Casey and family to allow the jury to consider the idea that if you lie about the little things, you are probably lying about the big things. 

          Clint Van Zandt

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          Reply#6 - Thu Oct 9, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
          {"commentId":4025886,"authorDomain":"worthyofworship"}

          I for one think it's a very informative  piece. Granted, I think everyone interested in the behavior of pathalogical or compulsive liars should be encouraged to do thier own research, as I was inclined to do by this case, but not being a professional by any means, this did help teach me a little bit more about the subject matter. Thanks Clint!

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          #6.1 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:54 PM EST
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          {"commentId":3991740,"authorDomain":"lovie70"}

          give her the benefit of a doubt-lock her up until the baby is found!!!

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          Reply#7 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:54 PM EST
          {"commentId":4003059,"authorDomain":"lyons132"}

          Casey has stated SHE knows where Caylee is...if so just tell us where she is...by her dragging this out and stating she knows but won't  tell, leads me to believe Casey has harmed if not caused the death of her own child.  TELL THE TRUTH CASEY

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            Reply#8 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:14 PM EST
            {"commentId":4361793,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

            Early on in the investigation of "where's baby Caylee", someone mentioned a new slab of concrete was just poured behing the house for a patio, I believe it was.  Yet no one has ever torn up that concrete to see if maybe, just maybe that is where this child is buried! Would it be possible to get that done?  How? GG

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              #8.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:12 PM EST
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              {"commentId":4005221,"authorDomain":"marla-1"}

              Just makes you want to Scream! I would like to meet her...no wait, never mind then I would be in jail for making casey disapear

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                Reply#9 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:23 PM EST
                {"commentId":4019184,"authorDomain":"jh2065"}

                Has anyone considered whether she may have sold the child? I would however, think the police have physical evidence that has not been made public in order to bring an indictment against casey. Perhaps she is so ridden with guilt she has blacked out what she did to the child and actually beleives the lies she tells. I wonder how the grandmother feels for cohersing Casey into having a child when she made it clear she did not want to and was not ready for parenthood. So sad, why did'nt the Grandmother keep and raise the child then? or possibly agree with her daughter and let her have made her own decision about whether or not to proceed with the pregnancy.

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                  Reply#10 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:19 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4359737,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                  Thank you all for your great comments!

                  Rusty 4312 - I don't think Casey would sell her child but I do agree that the grandparents forced her to keep the baby, one she could have easily given up for adoption at birth.

                  Be Safe!

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                    #10.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:08 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":4028581,"authorDomain":"annebraunbroker"}

                    Casey's mother Cindy KNOWS Casey is a pathological liar and has always been one.  People do not become the way they are overnight.  She is living in a dream world to want to believe anything Casey says now.  Casey's father George is obviously the level headed one in that family but is also under the coercion of his wife, Cindy. 

                    What I would like to know is, WHO is/was the real father of little Caylee and where are the relatives on HIS side of the family?  The child was not owned by the Anthony's like they may think she was; the child has other relatives and they should have had some input into the child's raising all along.  Maybe then this would not have happened.  But these pathological lying mothers always think they own the child, and obviously Cindy encouraged Casey in this matter of "owning" the child she was not competent to raise in the first place and her mother KNEW this all along. 

                    Why Cindy did not take the child away from Casey earlier on, put her out of the child's life, and raise Caylee herself is a complete mystery.  Anyone with an ounce of sense KNOWS that you cannot force a mother to be a mother no matter how hard you try, and why would you want too anyway?  All they accomplish is to bring instability into the child's life and to everyone else who is in any way involved with them.  Cindy and George were not too old to raise this child, and would have had far less agony in their lives, AND the child's life, simply by raising the little girl themselves.  Many parents older than they are, are raising their grandchildren and are doing it quite well. 

                    I know, I am one of those grandmothers whose granddaughter is the biological child of a pathological mother.  The best day of all our lives was the day the courts turned the child over to me and subsequently my son, and we have no further contact with the mother, who fits the Casey discription to a T.  We know had it not occurred this way, my little granddaughter could have easily become another disappearing Caylee in similar circumstances.  Children born to these pathological mothers are in extreme danger if they are not removed from their care as early as possible, and NOT left to their whims.

                    Where was Cindy's common sense?  Where was her long term view of little Caylee's upbringing, her concern for the child's whereabouts and welfare while Casey dragged her all over the countryside and while she bedded the child with her various lovers?  Where was her concern for the little girl the entire month she did not hear from Casey?  An entire month with no contact from a daughter who obviously was in no way competent to raise a child and her mother KNEW this all along?  I'll bet if the truth were known, this same scenerio had been played out in the Anthony's lives repeatedly, prior to the disappearance of little Caylee. 

                    It would be easy to feel sorry for Cindy, but the truth is, I have no sympathy for her whatsoever, not now.  She ALLOWED this to happen.  She knew all along and still knows that her daughter is a pathological liar, always has been, and has been nothing but trouble for the Anthonys.  Cindy Anthony is as much to blame for little Caylee's disappearance as Casey is now responsible for her death.  Yes, I believe Casey has deliberately and willfully killed that child, for which she has no conscience whatsoever.  I also believe her mother KNOWS in her heart this to be true.  Cindy, it's way past time for you to stand up againt your lying daughter once and for all; stop reinforcing her lying and sneaky behaviour, break her down and get the truth out of her.  You CAN do this.  It does not mean you do not love her, it means you DO love her.  Understand Cindy?

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                      Reply#11 - Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:26 AM EST
                      {"commentId":4053222,"authorDomain":"pbaker196"}

                      It's too bad we can't give that truth serum to Casey. Put it in her rice or potatoes. It's against the law. But she would really tell the truth. This sounds like a very dysfunctional family when Grand parents no nothing. Every thing is a sheer mystery here. This must be the way Casey really wanted it. I pray for her & the whotle family. She has nerves of steel.

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                      Reply#12 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4359766,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                      Patricia -

                      Notwithstanding TV and the movies, we've yet to find a real, fully reliable truth serum (see my 2005 article re this topic at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7516880/

                      Be Safe!

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                        #12.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 2:09 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":4077842,"authorDomain":"flipovermusic"}

                        The car was parked by a dumpster, She could have parked by one, But put her in another dumpster to throw the police off.

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                        Reply#13 - Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:42 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4077868,"authorDomain":"flipovermusic"}

                        I watch Nancy Grace every night. This one sad case....that she may get away with.

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                        Reply#14 - Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:45 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4078095,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

                        Clint Van Zandt, I watch you most every night on TruTV and have seen Nancy Grace regarding this story. Pathological Liar is one I suppose she is or which ever one has no empathy for other peoples feelings. Would have been a better outcome with the Nebraska law that would allow her to give the child up no strings attached. How sad and even sadder that she might not be able to be prosecuted. I will remain hopeful unless other wise proven.

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                        Reply#15 - Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:13 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4078819,"authorDomain":"befriendz"}

                        Mr. Van Zandt, your summary of the facts cover about all that we can say for sure about Casey Anthony.  I can not imagine loosing a child.  My grief would be so deep that I do not know how I would recover.  Casey has not shown any signs that she is grieving. 

                        Casey's mother seems to have been a very "enabling" parent.  She also has been very accepting of Casey's behavior and lies, even telling a number of lies herself to make excuses for Casey.  I think that if Cindy would stop the support of Casey, Casey might break and tell the truth.  Cindy and Casey seem to have a very deep relationship.

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                        Reply#16 - Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:56 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4099383,"authorDomain":"shouldbealawyer"}

                        Law enforcement should have never arrested Casey for anything so quickly!  What I think they should have done was question her, examine her car, PLACE A GPS on it, and sit back, of course constantly surveilling her, and just see where she goes.  Remember Scott Peterson? 

                        What do you think Clint?

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                        Reply#17 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:50 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4102919,"authorDomain":"karen-9"}

                        I am convinced that Casey's mother and father are also involved with the endless lies and or delusions.   I am familiar with this type of emotional unbalance, illness, intentional behavior... regardless of what it is... the outcome is the same.  The cover up by Casey and both her parents is inhuman.  Dealing with the elephant in the living room must be done by her parents, or they are as guilty as Casey is.  Beyond what the reader above said... they have a totally enmeshed unrealistic relationship...  not a good one at all.  Very convoluted in my opinion.  And about the 'father' being dead, there is another set of grandparents... where are they?

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                        Reply#18 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:42 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4103810,"authorDomain":"mjw9114"}

                        I have known a couple of compulsive/pathological liars and they seem to be incapable of facing the truth.  I don't even know if they know the meaning of the word.  Casey Anthony is self protective enough that she will probably never tell what happened.  I think that there are too many people in our society that do not have a sense of guilt and treat their children as things to dispose of as they choose.  Until our laws are changed to reflect the need to protect children, we will probably see much more of this behavior.  Our society is way over the line when it comes to the "I-Me importance.

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                        Reply#19 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:08 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4104088,"authorDomain":"victoria-marie-stevens"}

                        Mr. Van Zandt:

                        It is one thing to listen to you offering quick sound bites on a news show.  But for you to take time to outline this case and give your opinion in writing and in such depth is something that is quite valuable to us.  Explaining the concepts of a pathological liar and a compulsive liar is helpful, because most of the population has never been confronted by either.  I have grown weary of this case, but I am amazed at the outpouring of volunteer assistance that so many are giving to find Caylee Marie.  

                        Thank you, sir.

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                        Reply#20 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:39 PM EST
                        {"commentId":4105795,"authorDomain":"worthyofworship"}

                        Well put, VMS!

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                          #20.1 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:12 AM EST
                          {"commentId":4361904,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

                          #20 - VMS - Well said.  GG

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                            #20.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":4166491,"authorDomain":"shouldbealawyer"}

                            Does anyone agree/disagree with my post?  Just curious.

                            Also, if anyone watches Nancy Grace, do you find it interesting how defensive she is regarding the Anthony's?  She is usually all over the parents, i.e. Jackie and Lee Peterson.  I just wonder if she is sporting this opinion because of being a parent now herself, or because of the Duckett tragedy.  Thoughts?

                            Also, can anyone explain to me what George Anthony could have possibly meant when he said that "the person in that trunk has my daughter?"  Never understood that, nor heard any comments about that particular statement, though it is played just about everynight on NG.

                            Thanks.

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                            Reply#21 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:51 AM EST
                            {"commentId":4168273,"authorDomain":"victoria-marie-stevens"}

                            I agree with your post, Chris.  But when Law Enforcement found out about her lies and fraud on others, I understand their logic as well.  They tried to break her, and it didn't work unfortunately.  I don't know about that quote.  I will listen for it. 

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                            #21.1 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:41 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":4211617,"authorDomain":"brandi-salinas"}

                            Thank You Clint, I didn't know the difference between a compulsive and pathological liar. I think Casey Anthony from what I have read is a  pathological liar. How about this, what if Casey accidently killed Caylee? My theory is Casey is 22 years old, she loves to party and she didn't want to have Caylee when she found out she was pregnant with her. Casey's mom Cindy convinces Casey to have the baby. Casey wants to go out, but she has Caylee to think about so in Casey's mind she'll drug Caylee with the chloroform to get her to sleep, so Casey can go out and party. However, she gives Caylee to much and Caylee dies from overdose. Casey disposes of the body and some how her mother is in on it. What I don't get is how her mother can totally be supporting her daughter, but trying to have her arrested for apparently trying to steal money. I don't get it, a very messed up family!

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                            Reply#22 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:22 PM EST
                            {"commentId":4240342,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                            Thank you all for your great comments!

                            Rusty 4312 - I don't think Casey would sell her child but I do agree that the grandparents forced her to keep the baby, one she could have easily given up for adoption at birth.

                            Patricia - Notwithstanding TV and the movies, we've yet to find a real, fully reliable truth serum (see my 2005 article re this topic at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7516880/

                            Anna - I agree that Casey shows no sign of grieving but, of course, we're not with her 24/7.  Her public persona, though, does not suggest grief for her missing child.

                            Chris - I think the authorities felt that if they grabbed Casey up quickly and threw her in jail her age and inexperience in such matters would quickly bring about a confession.  She proved far tougher than those who interviewed her with her knowing, as we've discussed, that the only person who could send her to jail for the death of her child would be herself.  Although she, like Joran van der Sloot has apparently told many lies, she appears to know that the truth would sink her and she desperately wants to remain afloat.  Regarding your comments about Nancy Grace and the Duckett suicide, that's a hot button of mine.  I believe Ms. Duckett was the victim of an ambush interview and that she panicked and shot herself.  TV talk show hosts need to know they are just that, talking heads who do not investigate and who should not get in the way of a law enforcement interview.  Were I interviewing Ms. Duckett, I would have conducted a number of low stress interviews with her that could have led her to tell what she knew of her son's disappearance.  With her suicide, so also died hope that we would find out what happened to her young son.

                            Karen - I believe Casey's parents know that they've lost their grand daughter and they simply don't want to lose their daughter.  If, perhaps, they believe they share some guilt with their daughter, perhaps by making her carry, deliver and keep a child she wanted nothing to do with, such could even more bring about the behavior that we've seen from them on TV, especially Cindy.  Who can blame a mother for wanting to save her child from 20 years in jail, especially if the grandmother felt some responsibility for her daughter's actions.

                            VMS - Thanks and you're right about TV vs. the written word.  In my case I do a TV interview prepared to discuss the topic for 30-60 minutes when in reality you usually get less than a minute to make your point with some degree of sense.  As you watch TV you see that many hosts have guests only as cannon fodder as the host her/himself wants all the time to talk.  Many times as a guest you get a producer talking in your earpiece telling you to mix it up with the other guests, something I refuse to do as I think such insults your intelligence as a viewer.  Simply my opinion though and one that may not be shared by the newtorks...

                            BNS - You ask about the possibility of an accident.  I really don't believe at this point that Casey, should she be responsible fhr her daughter's disappearance and/or death, would have done this on purpose.  I do agree with you that the young girl's death could have been a terrible accident that once over with, could not be taken back, so everything we've seen after that point was designed as a cover up, like the story of the baby sitter taking the child. Though Casey may not be able to bring her daughter back, she can prevent another victim from being hurt in this case, and appears to have done so so far.  She, of course, would be the second "victim."

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                              Reply#23 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:43 PM EST
                              {"commentId":4362009,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

                              #23- Clint - This is a fascinating discussion and I want to thank you for taking the time to write it so we can understand some of what's been going on.  GG

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                                #23.1 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4363835,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                Ruthy,

                                I've really learned that you don't need to be an FBI profiler to have great insight into cases like this and I've encountered many bloggers that would have made wonderful investigators.

                                Thanks for reading and writing.

                                Be Safe!

                                CVZ

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                                  #23.2 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 6:34 PM EST
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                                  {"commentId":4488239,"authorDomain":"brandi-salinas"}

                                  I think the remains that they found do belong to little Caylee, its just to much of a coincidence that they were found so close to the Anthony's home. The more I watch the news on this story, the sicker I get. That whole family needs to be thrown in Jail and left there to rot. I'm a mother of two young boys and it breaks my heart to see those pictures of little Caylee and know what has been done to her, by her own mother. I'm surprised that she even survived for two years. I hope that Casey gets everything that is coming to her for being such a horrible person. I have a feeling that everything is going to link back to Casey once the investigators are done collecting all the evidence. Casey isn't very smart, the truth will come out in the end. This family needs some serious help.

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                                    Reply#25 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:26 AM EST
                                    {"commentId":4488559,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                    BNS,

                                    The original physical evidence that appears to link the recovered body to Casey and her home, and the behavior indicators that Casey was lying to cover up something have not changed.  I really do not like coincidences, but must concede that some do happen. There is now a totally new angle to this case that needs to be resolved and something is missing from the stories told by all concerned, to now include the meter reader and the sheriff's office.  See my latest story re the meter reader.  Question:  Do you have any doubt concerning the meter reader's story or do you think the police just missed something very important?

                                    Best,

                                    CVZ 

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                                    Reply#26 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:57 AM EST
                                    {"commentId":4489044,"authorDomain":"brandi-salinas"}

                                    Clint- A meter reader needs to go out to that area to do their job. I think the police missed something important. I think that the police had gotten so many sighting tips of Caylee that they may have dismissed this meter readers tips that he truly may have found something. If the remains do belong to little Caylee she probably would have been found sooner and can rest in peace. I think it was smart of the meter reader to keep informing police instead of trying to bring what he discovered and tampering with evidence. The police  finally took notice and are doing something about it.

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                                      Reply#27 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:33 AM EST
                                      {"commentId":4490118,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                      I hope it is exactly as you state. 

                                      CVZ

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                                        Reply#28 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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