Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Joran van der Sloot: "I sold Natalee Holloway for $10,000"

Natalee Holloway

Joran and the Kalpoe brothers

In yet the latest tale from the Dutch boy who can not tell the truth, Joran van der Sloot has another new/revised story to explain his role in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. Reading like the headlines from some grocery store tabloid magazine, van der Sloot has proclaimed that he sold Natalee Holloway for $10,000. Few viewers of cable television will not know that Holloway disappeared on May 30, 2005, while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. I was in Aruba shortly after her disappearance and, along with her mother Beth, retraced Natalee's last known steps on this earth.

On that fateful day, Natalee had been partying with the other 124 members of her high school graduation class. She and a number of her friends wound up at Carlos'n Charlie's, a well known watering hole in Aruba's capital city of Oranjestad. It was here that she talked to then 17-year-old van der Sloot and eventually left the bar to get into a car with him and local brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and drove off to meet her destiny. When later questioned by authorities, the three young men said they dropped her off at her hotel, and denied knowing her ultimate fate. Local police, with the urging of Holloway's family and the US media, would later catch and release van der Sloot and the brothers Kalpoe multiple times, indicating each time that they did not have enough evidence to charge them, or the seven other persons eventually arrested, with a crime concerning the young American's disappearance.

Through the many versions of van der Sloot's story, the one thing apparent is that he has a hard time with the truth. Some would later call him a predator of young women, indicating that his father, a local lawyer and then a judge in training, would get him out of trouble when ever needed. While in Aruba investigating this story, I came to accept the theory that Natalee, already under the influence from her drinking activities that day, was probably slipped a date rape drug that further diminished her ability to refuse to accompany the three men she later rode off with that night. The theory continues that when one or more men attempted to force themselves on her, she resisted and the combination of alcohol, the date rape drug, her physical struggling and the actions of her assailant(s) caused her to pass out. She was then disposed of like some old shoe.

In January 2008, a Dutch investigative reporter went public with a secret video tape of van der Sloot, perhaps with his lips loosened by marijuana, telling a man he believed to be both an ex-con and friend, that he was on the beach with Natalee; she died, and he disposed of her body at sea. This is a likely scenario as many in Aruba are quick to point out where the sharks come to feed just off the island or, if her body floated away, the currents would carry it toward the Panama Canal. Again Natalee's body would sink or be eaten by sea life long before it could have been discovered in the belated search for her body by Dutch F-16 photo recon jets that later flew over the area in a public relations inspired search for her body. Authorities would seek to once again arrest van der Sloot and charge him with Natalee's suspected murder, this time based upon his videotaped statements and believed confession. A judge denied this arrest, stating that van der Sloot had told so many versions of his story that it was impossible to know which was true while van der Sloot, in his own defense, said it was the marijuana and not him talking. It appears, at least in Joran's case, that lies, and not the truth, will set you free…

Now van der Sloot has again implicated himself in Natalee's disappearance, once again on national TV, and without the marijuana cigarette in his hand on which to blame his recent tongue wagging. His latest "how I did it" version, one that apparently brought him financial gain from Fox TV, again places him and Natalee on the beach, but now he says he had spoken to an unknown man earlier that night who offered him $10,000 for a blond girl who, common sense would dictate, would likely then be forced into sex slavery. Joran stated he used his (cel) phone to confirm the human trafficking sale while in the car with the Kalpoes and Holloway.

The two brothers allegedly dropped Joran and Natalee at a local beach where he says they "made out" until the mystery man appeared in a boat at the water's edge. Joran turned Natalee over to him in exchange for a bag with $9,800, indicating the man inexplicitly kept $200 or more back for himself. Van der Sloot said she made some sound and then the boat, the man, and the 18-year-old American girl were gone, with Natalee eventually being taken to Venezuela to become a sex slave. The story continues, though, that the mystery man has subsequently given van der Sloot another $10,000 as hush money, that the Kalpoe brothers knew about Natalee's fate and each received $1,000 (of the original $10k) from Joran, and that Joran's father, a local Aruban attorney, and at least two police officers also had guilty knowledge of Natalee's fate. Joran goes on to say his father allegedly paid the two police officers $50,000 to keep the story to themselves, and offered, as proof, a tape recording on which he indicates he and his father discuss the case and the issue of human trafficking. This tape, of course, brought him money from the cable network. Not that the media pays for news, but only for "licensing fees."

This latest story, while appearing totally farfetched, begs further investigation such as: does van der Sloot's cel phone show him talking to the mystery man the night Natalee disappeared and if so, who is he; is there a cash trail for van der Sloot and the Kalpoe's that suggest their then infusion of cash; can the alleged cash transfer from Joran's father to the two police officers be verified; how did this mystery man know to contact Joran the very night he was with Natalee; why would he trust a 17-year-old whose father was a local official; could there be other similar cases and, if so, why were they not part of the initial investigation; how did the mystery man know how to contact Joran in Holland to send him the additional $10,000; can the second payment, allegedly by Western Union wire transfer, be verified and traced back to the sender, and so on and on.

When I watched his latest interview, Joran impressed me as someone making up the story as he went along. He had to think of answers he should have known outright, so I would not be quick to place too much trust in this new version of Natalee being sold into international sex slavery, a story originally offered up by TV's Dr. Phil when Natalee's mother Beth and I were on his show in November 2005. At that time Dr. Phil suggested his theory that Natalee was one of the suspected 1-to-4 million women and children a year traded, sold, tricked, or kidnapped into physical bondage and sexual slavery. See Van Zandt: Why some say Natalee may still be alive, at www.msnbc.msn.com./id/10086587/

Many point to a new undercover video tape of van der Sloot bragging to a man he apparently believes to be involved in sex slave trafficking that he (Joran) can get passports for girls and women from Thailand to facilitate their travel to Holland to work as dancers, when in reality van der Sloot allegedly wanted to sell them as prostitutes and sex slaves with him making $13,000 per "victim." It is activities like this that have convinced so many that Joran is a sexual predator, a pathological liar, and, perhaps, a murderer, but like O.J. Simpson, he simply cannot keep his mouth shut or keep a low profile and move on with his life. For some, once you get away with something you may feel beyond the law and above approach. As the Dutch reporter who made these two hidden videos of van der Sloot has said, "these pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old (Joran) has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him." What could also be typical would be Joran lying to Fox TV to get some money out of them. After all, he's told so many lies, how could one more present a problem for him?

Although Natalee's mother, father, Joran, and probably others have all written books concerning Natalee's disappearance, the final, true version of her believed last night on earth has yet to be told. Could Natalee actually be alive and help captive in some dank bordello in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela? We know that Dr. Phil (and the US Government) has checked out such stories concerning Natalee and American Amy Bradley (who disappeared from a cruise ship near Curacao, Antilles, in 1998 and was suspected of meeting a fate similar to Natalee's), to no avail. No matter, though, as there are still hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children who are sold into slavery every year who all need to be rescued from the living hell of a nightmare they find themselves in every day, one in which Joran van der Sloot apparently sees himself as a player and day trader.

The problem with this latest version of van der Sloot's story is that it's just too complicated and the timing is just too close to seem true. If Jordan thought he could scam Fox TV, I believe he'd do it at the drop of a hat, especially if he could take them for money along the way. And should Fox or anyone else have tape recordings, videos, or other evidence for months that appear support this latest wild story, they should have immediately given all of this information to the FBI and the Aruban authorities to corroborate and not tried to use such information to raise the ratings of their TV show. Meanwhile van der Sloot has renounced this latest story, indicating that once again he was lying. The true story of Natalee Holloway needs to be finally told, those involved in her disappearance finally held responsible, and just like the pirates off the coast of Somalia, there needs to be a continued and ongoing international action against those who traffic in human misery. It's the least we can do and still call ourselves "civilized humans," a title that currently seems totally inappropriate for Joran van der Sloot.

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Civilized?

The time has passed for civilized. Get this van der Sloot kid alone in an interrogation room and beat him in the kidneys with iron gloves.

I think all would be impressed with his new found truthfullness.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:37 AM EST
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My exact same thoughts by the end of the story. Unfortunately.

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  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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This punk has ruined lives, and continues to squawk like a fool. He deserves what he gets, and I hope it is long, painful, and permanent.

This may seem wrong to some. So be it.

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  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:56 AM EST
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Amen Dennis. I'm from Bama, too. But that's beside the point. I say we bring this whack-job to the backwoods of Bama and show him justice, Southern style. If nothing else, we can tie sticks to his head and say we thought he was a deer when we're done with him.

Wake up America. I'd stay out of Aruba myself. Or at the very least, go armed.

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  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:32 AM EST
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This jackass is unbelievable. Just hold him responsible for SOMETHING having to do with this girl's disappearance! Anything, I don't care at this point. If I were Beth Twitty, I'd be making some calls to mystery men myself, make sure this kid is never found again. Spoiled, self-important moron.

He may never be convicted or be forced to answer for this, but I am a firm believer that karma is a b*tch. He'll get his one way or another, it's just a matter of time.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:42 AM EST
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What an idiot.  This fool pretty much just told the world that he killed her.  Maybe, it's his way of dealing with the guilt.  That is, he wants to be arrested.  Unfortunately, the authorities so bungled this case, that I don't see how they would get anything to stick.

They'll have to wait for him to lock himself up, I guess.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:57 AM EST
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OK, Bush is giving pardons...any chance for one more well-deserved rendering?

I, truly, am not given to violence, but I could wire this smarmy little bastard up and light up both of his nuts with 440V myself. If I knew where to find a "godfather" I'd pass the number on to her family and this little bastard would be suffering right now.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:47 PM EST
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Dennis and Cooper. I think he is guilty of torture with Fox News as an accessory. Imagine paying this slug for an interview. There is no way to imagine the additional pain this adds to the suffering of her family and loved ones. I can't believe he has a friend in the world. Why haven't one of the other two slugs sold him out yet? Since none of them have a soul, maybe all three could be put in a room with that guy who wants to eat them, starting with the original doer. I bet the whole story would come out really fast.

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#4.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:23 PM EST
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Amen,Amen.

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  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM EST
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Couldn't it be just a tragic accident? Like choking on her vomit perhaps. They probably were both drunk and under the influence of drugs. Van der Sloot is a scumbag but is he a killer or just a witness to an accidental death? Maybe then he panicked and now has some moments of dubious fame. 

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  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:02 PM EST
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If it was an accidental death, then he's only a little bit less of a scumbag than I think he is... but only a little. What kind of a POS puts a family through this anguish of not knowing, especially if he wasn't to blame, and then brags about what he *allegedly* did to her?

Personally, I believe him (potentially his dad, after the fact) was involved. But even if he wasn't and knows what happened, he's still a little punk for not telling all he knows to give the family closure.

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#5.1 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:58 PM EST
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Dennis, he is deeply into Arrested adolecence. Probably termanal. Wonder why he identifies with the perp?

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  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:06 PM EST
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actually, I'm with Tarchon, I never considered that, but she had been drinking heavily, every one said, for days upon days.  Alcohol Poisoning causes your gag reflex to shut down, and you can choke on vomit, or just as easily stop breathing.  Mix with the fact that the chance he may have done something to her drink to make her more agreeable, there were three guys after all, what were the other two going to do, play cards? and maybe she died from alcohol induced death... being spineless weasels, they got rid of her.

 On top of it, the tape of him saying he could traffic thai girls could just as likely be him trying to squirm money out of someone, banking on the reputation by Mcgraw and company that's already been made that he could traffic girls.   As far as I'm concerned, the media has caused this to get bungle as much as the Aruba authorities.  Too many chefs in the kitchen.

 All of the players in this thing have tried to bank on it.  Book deals and so forth.

 Apparently human life IS priceless..... there seems to be no ceiling on how much money this girls life will accumulate for others.

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    #5.4 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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    My question is do any of you believe Joran this time?  It's said that there's a little bit of truth in almost any statement.  What is true about Joran's admission?  Do you believe he's just seeking attention and can't get enough of the American media, or, perhaps, did he make some agreement to sell this story, knowing full well, from past experience that his chances of getting charged in Aruba are slim to none.  Whether his father said "no body, no case," or not, that seems to be the standard that Aruba justice demands.  Amazing, isn't it, how he continues to plunge a sharp stick in the eyes of Natalee's family and the world, and we just put him on TV for more face time...

    Clint Van Zandt

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    • 4 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:10 PM EST
    {"commentId":4208428,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

    Mr. Van Zandt, you "came to accept a theory" about a date rape drug based on conjecture.

    Ms. Holloway was known to be drinking. Your theory only aims to absolve the young woman of responsibility for her own actions. It salves her family's fear that their daughter was fast or sexually provocative. It reshapes her as a hapless victim rather than a forthright young woman who knowingly ditched her chaperones and left Carlos n' Charlie's (I know exactly where it is, having visited Aruba in 2004) to hang with some exotic, foreign boys. I know you worked as an FBI profiler, but this is just a tissue of conjectures piled upon each other.

    Your crass dismissal of Dutch jurisprudence and the Aruban police are duly noted. Yet you continue to infantilize an American who reached the age of maturity, yet behaved in a careless, reckless manner. This nonsense about selling young, blonde Holloway into sex slavery reeks of racism. And the Aruban and Dutch authorities were no more engaged in a public relations exercise than the affluent Twitty family was.

    This article reads more like something Geraldo Rivera would say than what a profiler with expertise and professional detachment would.

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      #6.1 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:48 AM EST
      {"commentId":4217698,"authorDomain":"tl7555"}

      Having researched and studied sex trafficking of women and children, the initial reports of her disappearence disturbed me. Arbua is very close to Venezuela and Venezuela is a known drop off, pick up point for trafficked women and children. To think that Natalie would still be in Venezuela is doubtful, these woman and children are moved every few days, a week at the longest. After three years, she could be anywhere in the world. I'm a mother and if this story could get worse, I can't imagine her mother thinking she is now alive, somewhere in the world, being sold and resold until she ends up either rescued or dead.

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      • 1 vote
      #6.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:05 AM EST
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      caroaber

      While your comments are noted. Investigators need a working theory, this based upon the available evidence.  In this case investigators in Aruba know that date rape drugs are easily available and that one or more of the suspects had the reputation of a predator prior to this incident.  Natalee is responsible for her own drinking and the lowering of her own inhibitions as well as leaving her friends behind and leaving the bar with three virtural strangers.  There is obviously personal responsibility here for Natalee and the kind of trust that someone her age might place in the hands of others, especially on such a trip where the expectations were to go wild and have a good time.  As far as your comments re someone being sold into sex slavery reeking of racism, I'm afraid you will find all races represented in the ranks of victims as well as the predators that pray on such victims (see my previous article as indicated in this piece). As far as detachment, I was with the family in Aruba after her disappearance and interviewed one of the Kalpoes and spend alot of time with private and local investigators on the island and and well aware of the level of investigation, or lack there of.  I've yet to find one person with any investigative background who considers the use of photo recon jets weeks later to be anything other than a PR effort by the Dutch give some creditability to the otherwise limited search conducted for Natalee when it would have done some good.  The Twitty family used the media to put pressure on the local authorities to force them to do what they apparently didn't want to do, look for Natalee. The locals conducted PR to make the incident move .on and save their tourist injury.  I know this first hand from their own PR representatives.  There are plenty of lessons to be leed away.arned here and everyone involved must take responsibility for their own actions.  Natalee contributed to her own believed demise, but others took advantage of her in a way that cannot be explained away.

      I look forward to your future observations.

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      Reply#7 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:18 PM EST
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      Ms. Holloway was known to be drinking. Your theory only aims to absolve the young woman of responsibility for her own actions. It salves her family's fear that their daughter was fast or sexually provocative. It reshapes her as a hapless victim rather than a forthright young woman who knowingly ditched her chaperones and left Carlos n' Charlie's (I know exactly where it is, having visited Aruba in 2004) to hang with some exotic, foreign boys.

      Your whole post seems to imply quite the opposite: paint the victim as someone who, because she went drinking and left her friends, somehow deserved her fate (whatever it might have been). And despite whether she was "fast or sexually provocative" I'm sure her parents are more fearful over where she is and whether she's dead than if she was promiscuous.

      Your crass dismissal of Dutch jurisprudence and the Aruban police are duly noted.

      Maybe it was a generalization, but if you have been following the case, you'd have to agree that the Aruban police have bungled this investigation from the get-go. It reminds me of the Martha Moxley case, where a police force was just completely ill-equipped or incompetent to deal with a murder of this media magnitude.

      Yet you continue to infantilize an American who reached the age of maturity, yet behaved in a careless, reckless manner.

      There may be some inclination to not want to speak ill of the dead, it's true. But again, her "careless, reckless manner" does not equate with a death sentence and by your logic of saying Mr. Van Zandt is excusing her behavior, you are vilifying her character and implying her fate was of her own making. You would make an excellent defense lawyer.

      And the Aruban and Dutch authorities were no more engaged in a public relations exercise than the affluent Twitty family was.

      With a fundamental difference: most parents with lost children will tell you that keeping your child's story in the media as long as possible is a good way to increase exposure and help in the investigation. Exactly what was the purpose of the authorities pandering to the media?

      This article reads more like something Geraldo Rivera would say than what a profiler with expertise and professional detachment would.

      That is offensive and dismissive of Mr. Van Zandt's intelligence, input and work during his time at the FBI. Period.

      As to your question Mr. Van Zandt, I honestly don't know what to believe anymore from this punk. I believe he was directly involved in her disappearance. Whether or not he was directly involved in her death, well, I'm still on the fence but my heart thinks he was responsible for that as well. But if he is guilty of one or both, the very least he could do is keep his damn mouth shut so as not to inflict even more pain on this girl's family. It's despicable and someone needs to muzzle this smug idiot. Thanks for the article, and some of us do appreciate your input.

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM EST
      {"commentId":4213892,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

      I, too, appreciate Mr. Van Zandt's input, intelligence and expertise. However, this case is a prime example of what tabloid coverage can do to a case, and the U.S. MSM, including cable news stations, have turned this case into an international sensation. I don't wish to be offensive or dismissive, but today's article does seem like more tabloid treatment.

      As Mr. Van Zandt has stated, he was in contact with the parents (and step-parent) and the Aruban authorities. Were the Americans not responsible for the eventual use of photo recon jets, which is admitted to have been a stunt here? Haven't their loud protests forced the Dutch and Arubans to take measures they otherwise would not have?

      I am not maligning Natalee's character, but I do see a double standard vis-a-vis the attention given to missing persons cases that do not involve victims like her. But this case is unique because it took place in Aruba, beyond U.S. jurisdiction. Far from making defense arguments, mine take issue at what is fact versus what is conjecture. Is Ms. Holloway being forced to work as a sex slave "in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela" a working theory? Or is it a nod to fear of the Red Menace? Eighteen is a tender age, and a profiler would legitimately look at her motives, her mindset, her gullibility--and her presumptive blood alcohol level.

      What is not so clear is if Mr. Van Zandt's involvement was strictly as a news analyst or whether he was among those in service to the Twitty family.

      Of course, I lament a young American's presumed death. But I also am alarmed when journalists become pushy advocates and seek to point the finger of blame at a nation, its people and its institutions as complicit in murder and a coverup.

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      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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      Im 23 6'9 325 pounds solid benching 480 pounds! Can someone please feed this kid to me.  I would love to be placed in a ring with him, so he can feel hell first hand. We know he did why is he still walking around here like he's Hancock!!!

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        Reply#9 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:29 PM EST
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        Im 23 6'9 325 pounds solid benching 425 pounds.  Can someone please feed this kid to me. I would love to be placed in a ring with no exist with this coward and show him hell first hand.  We know he did it why he still walking around here like his will smith in Hancock!!!!

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#10 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:35 PM EST
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        Lo2013,

        Many thanks for your thoughtful review of both the article and the comments of readers.  I am guilty, as indicated by caroaber, though, after the past three years as believing that van der Sloot and associates had something to do with Natalee's disappearance and knowing her family, I do feel their pain.  Your point is right on though as Joran's running off at the mouth continues to inflict pain of those who knew and loved her or others, like myself, who could see any of our children caught up in a similar nightmare.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#11 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:02 AM EST
        {"commentId":4230356,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

        This is a person who is capable of anything. Whatever he did to Natalie was evil. Three, drunken men and one girl. Anything could happen.

        Here is the thing, one of them, probably van der Sloot was the original actor in the deed. What leverage, fear,money, what is keeping the other two silent?

         Also, that Fox News paid this troll for an interview is not journalism, news or anything close.  My oldest son,  was killed in a car accident at 15 yrs, It happened near prom time and the driver was drinking.  My son's name was in the paper, pictures of him and the accident for weeks. The dead have no rights. For months afterwards, I would mistake my my son for someone in a crowd of people.  Each time, the pain drove me to my knees. This, even though I knew he was gone.

        Natalie's family are living in a world of pain and fear. If you have not been through something like this, there is no way to imagine the horror and the agony, that is added to their already crushing pain and grief.  This jerk should be punished for torture.  Law be D....

        Thank you for your article and your outrage.

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        • 4 votes
        #11.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:31 AM EST
        {"commentId":4329526,"authorDomain":"rblueeden"}

        For months afterwards, I would mistake my my son for someone in a crowd of people.  Each time, the pain drove me to my knees. This, even though I knew he was gone.

        I am SO sorry, would hug you could I reach you!  To imagine losing one of my children is unbearable, your pain is immeasurable, peace, comfort to you emersontwain!

        Natalie's family are living in a world of pain and fear. If you have not been through something like this, there is no way to imagine the horror and the agony, that is added to their already crushing pain and grief.  This jerk should be punished for torture

        Is closure possible for this family?  Never. 

         The eyes are the windows to the soul,  Jorans eyes in every interview with the media are vacant.  His face is smug, his lips on the permanent verge of a smirk but his eyes....nothin there.  Ditto for his soul!      

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        #11.2 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 3:09 AM EST
        {"commentId":4330789,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

        Thank you, darlin.  No there is no such thing as closure. 

        The best they can ever hope for is that they can learn to live with it, so that the pain and grief are not the only reason for their lives.  This kind of evil, taunting, just keeps raking the wounds, that never heal, just get covered with enough of a scar to be able to function.  Even after over 20 years.  An event, a comment, some strangely familar smell or sound can send me to my knees as if it just happened. 

        My heart and my prayers go to her and her family.  There may be justice, but no recompense for them. Blessing on you for your kind and thoughtful words and peace be always with you!

         I have lived past the event, to be so very grateful for the wonder of Mac and that God let me be part of his raising. That is no small thing.  His brothers and I thank you.

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        #11.3 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 10:38 AM EST
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        {"commentId":4218158,"authorDomain":"TheEtruscan"}

        Going back to my accidental death. As a person who spends lots of time on the beach, I see lots of people that are unaware of the tides and how the waves behave coming in and out and not always with the same strength and depth. Some couples even sleep on the beach.

        Could it be that Natalee and van der Sloot after fooling around on the beach fell asleep? The rushing waves and/or tide could have taken a dormant Natalee off to sea. Natalee not being a beach person probably did not know how to deal with the situation and being incapacitated by the drinking and drug use drowned. Van der Sloot could have awaken later after Natalee's disappearance and/or be transported away but being sea-wise could save himself but knew nothing of what happened to Natalee.

        What I see here is sensationalism and revenge when simple explanations are possible. 

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        Reply#12 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:18 AM EST
        {"commentId":4232811,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

        Dennis and Cooper. I think he is guilty of torture with Fox News as an accessory. Imagine paying this slug for an interview. There is no way to imagine the additional pain this adds to the suffering of her family and loved ones. I can't believe he has a friend in the world. Why haven't one of the other two slugs sold him out yet? Since none of them have a soul, maybe all three could be put in a room with that guy who wants to eat them, starting with the original doer. I bet the whole story would come out really fast.

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        #12.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:21 PM EST
        {"commentId":4235095,"authorDomain":"TheEtruscan"}

        So Natalee is a saint?

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          #12.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:50 PM EST
          {"commentId":4238245,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

          Death is not a fit punishment for being young and taking risks. This is normal behaviour for young people.To Natalie's family, she is a precious commodity. Right now and for many more years, the family will be experienceing more grief and pain than can be explained. Like combat veterans,I hope no one ever has to pay the cost to understand it. . I would not want anyone to walk in my shoes or Natalie and her families shoes.

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          • 1 vote
          #12.3 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:06 AM EST
          {"commentId":4239085,"authorDomain":"TheEtruscan"}

          Death is not a fit punishment for being young and taking risks.

          Try drinking and driving.

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          • 1 vote
          #12.4 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:40 AM EST
          {"commentId":4239713,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

          Hope you are blessed with a good life, if not, then a short memory.

          Peace to you.

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          • 2 votes
          #12.5 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:59 AM EST
          {"commentId":4322629,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
          Dennis C. LathamDeleted
          {"commentId":4325451,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

          Dennis! Glad you dropped by. Nobody says it better! I was trying to be reasonable, but still came off pretty B...y. I feel so much better now!!

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            #12.7 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 5:31 PM EST
            {"commentId":4339737,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
            Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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            {"commentId":4236929,"authorDomain":"kalimari2001"}

            Hugo Chavez needs to be accountable for what goes on in his country.  Can he verify Natalie's whereabouts?  If not, why?  I don' know is not an acceptable answer.  I'll never visit the carribbean until these gulf countries get their criminals under contral.  Poor Natalie.  She's probably F'ing some SOB right now.  I hate pigs.  

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              Reply#13 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:24 AM EST
              {"commentId":4339749,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
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              {"commentId":4237210,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

              The first thing I said when I heard of her disappearance was that she was taken into slavery.

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              • 3 votes
              Reply#14 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:20 AM EST
              {"commentId":4240439,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

              One quick thought re the suspected suspects in this case, i.e., Joran and the two Kalpoe brothers.  In Aruba a co-conspirator cannot plea bargin away his responsibility by rolling over on another.  By this, should the three be involved and should, say, one of the Kalpoes implicate Joran and his own brother, all three would be held responsible, thus for all three (with the obvious exception of Joran) their lips are sealed.

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              • 1 vote
              Reply#15 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:00 PM EST
              {"commentId":4241145,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

              Oh, what a bummer.  Is this some left over Pirate law? He is torturing the family. Can Fox be liable in some way for publishing this slugs rants?

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              • 1 vote
              #15.1 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:10 PM EST
              {"commentId":4244723,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

              Emersontwain,

              Amazing, isn't it, what the media can do under the color of protection, something like other talk show hosts whose actions contribute to a suicide and they take no responsibility what so ever.  Makes you want to just listen to the radio...

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              • 2 votes
              #15.2 - Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:44 AM EST
              {"commentId":4244811,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

              Keep fighting the good fight! Will keep cheering you on!  I wonder if your column is not provoking some of the people involved in this to respond.  Some of the comments and attitudes are chilling.

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              • 1 vote
              #15.3 - Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:00 AM EST
              {"commentId":4339763,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
              Dennis C. LathamDeleted
              {"commentId":4348034,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

              Dennis, I am not surprised you don't watch Fox. wouldn't think it would be your cup of tea. If you think while you watch it you get a migrain. . pretty soon your tv screen shatters. LOL

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              • 1 vote
              #15.5 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM EST
              {"commentId":4352618,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
              Dennis C. LathamDeleted
              {"commentId":4352683,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

              LOL, I kind like the idea of keeping them all busy and in one place.

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                #15.7 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 11:59 PM EST
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                {"commentId":4311215,"authorDomain":"D75"}

                Death is what happens when you take risks.

                 That's why it is called a risk.

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                  Reply#16 - Fri Dec 5, 2008 4:55 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4325491,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

                  David-758806

                   Death is what happens when you take risks.

                  That's why it is called a risk.

                  I started to right something angry to you, but then I thought about it. You sound so bitter. Sorry for your loss or whatever has happended to make you feel that way. Life is full of risk. Sometimes risk results in wonderful things happening, and sometime it brings calamity. Hope you are well.

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                  #16.1 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 5:35 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4329576,"authorDomain":"rblueeden"}

                   Death is what happens when you take risks.

                  Really.  When you take a risk you die, hmmmm debunked your own heap of crap David, you took a risk posting this ridiculous comment and YOUR STILL HERE! 

                    That's why it is called a risk.

                  No, death is what happens when your heart stops beating.  May occur as a result of risky behavior, the act of taking a risk does not result in certain death. 

                  David, at least make an attempt at ignorance when concocting your next try at being offensive.  Offensive posters everywere were insulted by such a poor, lackluster mix. For shame..

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                  • 1 vote
                  #16.2 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 3:30 AM EST
                  {"commentId":4330829,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

                  LOL, Samaria, you are righteous!! I hope you and Dennis are friends, you both got that clarity, once you have said it, there isn't any more to say!  My compliments!

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                  • 1 vote
                  #16.3 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 10:43 AM EST
                  {"commentId":4339771,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
                  Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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                  {"commentId":4322137,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                  David,

                  A terrible penalty, isn't it, for living life?

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                    Reply#17 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 12:04 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4331956,"authorDomain":"rwal54"}

                    I say water-board them...The truth will come out real quick then.

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                      Reply#18 - Sun Dec 7, 2008 12:58 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4351029,"authorDomain":"spiritnorth"}
                      Donna DoreenDeleted
                      {"commentId":4354579,"authorDomain":"xnilo"}

                      The time has passed for civilized. Get this van der Sloot kid alone in an interrogation room and beat him in the kidneys with iron gloves.

                      but I could wire this smarmy little bastard up and light up both of his nuts with 440V myself. If I knew where to find a "godfather" I'd pass the number on to her family and this little bastard would be suffering right now.

                      Give him to me. I need 3 hots and a COT !

                      I say water-board them...The truth will come out real quick then.

                      I will make him swallow his words side ways.

                      It appears torture and physical harm is the preferred method to obtain answers regarding the whereabouts of Natalee Halloway from the deplorable Joran van der Sloot.

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                        Reply#20 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 8:42 AM EST
                        {"commentId":4357864,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
                        Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                        {"commentId":4368820,"authorDomain":"xnilo"}

                        Mr. Latham,

                        I was just making a concealed statement about the methods used to extract information from terroritst and the comments in support of using torture and physical harm against Joran to extract information from him about Halloway.

                        The majority of viners seem to lean left of the political margin, who disapprove of using torture methods to extract information, but approve of using it on Joran.  Whether the commentors I quoted are Liberal and do not support torture on terrorist I, of course, cannot judge.  It is only a observation and I didn't want to get off subject.

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                          #20.2 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:24 AM EST
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                          {"commentId":4355118,"authorDomain":"spiritnorth"}
                          Donna DoreenDeleted
                          {"commentId":4365200,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                          Donna and Dennis,

                          If, and when, the Dutch finally decide to do something that their law allows, they should work with the other concerned governments and try to take him for his statements concerning his work in the area of international prositution and human slavery.  Just like Al Capone, if you can't take him down for the big crime, take him down for what you can.  For more on the dirty international trade in human beings, see my article entitled "Who has taken our Daughter? at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8289068/

                          Be Safe!

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                          Reply#22 - Tue Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4366458,"authorDomain":"spiritnorth"}
                          Donna DoreenDeleted
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                          {"commentId":4374357,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                          Donna,

                          In my job, we had the job of being the voice for victims who could no longer speak for themselves.  That, and the successes we enjoyed, helped get over the many victims and the grief that we shared with their friends and family.  These things never really leave your mind though.  In Natalee's case, she, like similar victims, could be all of our daughters, sisters, wifes, neighbors, or simply another human who died well before her time at the hands of someone who felt he somehow had the right to do this and not take responsibility for his actions.

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                          Reply#23 - Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:53 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4374963,"authorDomain":"spiritnorth"}
                          Donna DoreenDeleted
                          {"commentId":4492870,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                          Donna,

                          May your voice long be heard and your cause become the cause of many others...

                          CVZ

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                          #23.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":4382254,"authorDomain":"dennisclatham"}
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                          {"commentId":5291762,"authorDomain":"peterpatry"}

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                            Reply#25 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:17 PM EST
                            {"commentId":5291778,"authorDomain":"peterpatry"}

                            February 10 2009

                            2009

                            This is a Special ABlog I write for Nathalie and her Familly:

                            My name is Peter Patry I am A Canadian Citizen

                            I believe This is what I really belived happend to mrs.Nathalie Ann Holloway, She's very much ALIVE Today because "think about it" for a minute Or secound, if there was A TRUE crime in this. they would have found forenzic evidence

                            something by know if Nathalie was DEAD.

                            It's a big cover up Joran Van der Sloot, Sold

                            Nathalie Ann Holloway for 10.000$ dollars to a

                            Venezuelan man who 'wanted a blonde girl' at

                            Tha time Jordan met that man at a Casino and

                            he wanted a blond girl.

                            Jordan is also involved in sex trafficking in

                            Thailand as we speak. People!!! think about it

                            This young lady is gorgious and very beautiful.

                            The night Jordan met nathalie and her Friends at

                            That BAR she was druged and out of it, then he made a Phone call to that person to meet him

                            at the Beach, and that's when he sold

                            Nathalie Ann Holloway.

                            Everyone she's alive and I trully believe that

                            We have the power the Internet to do everything

                            in our POWER to bring back home Nathalie to her

                            Parents.

                            And I think they deserve that very much, for US People to Act NOW and bring her HOME, before it's

                            Really TOO LATE!! I am righting this STORY cause

                            To ME I believe she's very much ALIVE! till this

                            Day February 10 2009 . we cant give up now, We

                            Will find Nathalie Ann Holloway.

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                              Reply#26 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:18 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5392523,"authorDomain":"peterpatry"}

                              February 16 009

                              2009

                              This is a Special ABlog I write for Nathalie and her Familly:

                              My name is Peter Patry I am A Canadian Citizen

                              I believe This is what I really belived happend to mrs.Nathalie Ann Holloway, She's very much ALIVE Today because "think about it" for a minute Or secound, if there was A TRUE crime in this. they would have found forenzic evidence

                              something by know if Nathalie was DEAD.

                              It's a big cover up Joran Van der Sloot, Sold

                              Nathalie Ann Holloway for 10.000$ dollars to a

                              Venezuelan man who 'wanted a blonde girl' at

                              Tha time Jordan met that man at a Casino and

                              he wanted a blond girl.

                              Jordan is also involved in sex trafficking in

                              Thailand as we speak. People!!! think about it

                              This young lady is gorgious and very beautiful.

                              The night Jordan met nathalie and her Friends at

                              That BAR she was druged and out of it, then he made a Phone call to that person to meet him

                              at the Beach, and that's when he sold

                              Nathalie Ann Holloway.

                              Everyone she's alive and I trully believe that

                              We have the power the Internet to do everything

                              in our POWER to bring back home Nathalie to her

                              Parents.

                              And I think they deserve that very much, for US People to Act NOW and bring her HOME, before it's

                              Really TOO LATE!! I am righting this STORY cause

                              To ME I believe she's very much ALIVE! till this

                              Day February 16 2009. . we cant give up now, We

                              Will find Nathalie Ann Holloway, have respect for this

                              young lady, this could be your Mother, Sister, Nice this

                              could happen to anyone you kids, think about that, I

                              believe in my Heart she's still Alive.

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                                Reply#27 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:28 AM EST
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