Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Murder and Mayhem in Mumbai

Mumbai Hotel Attacked

As of 7:00 AM (EST), 11/27/08

As a former FBI hostage negotiator, I was involved in many hostage taking incidents ranging from single domestic bank robbers to prison riots to Americans taken hostage as they traveled and worked outside of the relative safety of America. While many prepare to give thanks for many things this season, a number of Indian citizens and internationals died because of terrorist attacks in Mumbai (formerly Bombay), India on Wednesday. Over 170 are believed dead and upwards of 400 are either wounded or otherwise injured. An unknown number of hostages, perhaps numbering into the dozens or higher, possibly westerners, are being held against their will in one or more locations, to include two major hotels and a Jewish outreach center in Mumbai. The situation remains tenuous with police and military struggling to stabilize the situation and identify both hostages and terrorists alike, this while gunfire and explosions continue to be heard in the city, especially near the two affected hotels. Some of the loud explosions heard coming from inside of the Taj hotel may be police and military teams using explosive breaching devices and/or flash bang diversionary devices as they attempt to clear the hundreds of rooms in the hotel where five or more of the suspected 10-50 terrorists are still believed to be holed up after the single biggest attack of its kind in India.

The terrorists are believed affiliated with one of two shadowy groups, either Deccan Majahedeen, a little known terrorist organization that has claimed credit for these attacks, or Lashkar-e-Tiba (L.E.T.), a terrorist group based in Pakistan, members of which have committed a number of terrorist attacks, to include involvement in an incident in America where they are now imprisoned. LET's stated goals are to destroy India, reclaim Kasmere, and attack Hindus, Jews and westerners, all three groups which were targeted in this attack. Most of the attackers are believed to have arrived in Mumbai by ship and to have spread out across the city to commence their coordinated attacks at at least 10 locations. Some of these attack sites were obviously planned while others may have been the result of terrorists fleeing from location to location. This was obviously a well-planned terrorist mission that could have taken months to put together, although some have even suggested a possible linkage between the recent arrest of a leading L.E.T. leader in the UK. The diversity seen in the 10 different target sites suggests the terrorists were seeking maximum public, political and media attention.

While the attackers appeared to have targeted American and British passport carriers, most of the dead and injured came from indiscriminate machine gun and grenade attacks at the large city train station where few westerners would be expected to be found. Some injuries were attributed to the panic the resulted as the attack was ongoing. One of the locations occupied was the 565 room Taj Mumbai hotel, a 105-year-old landmark near the water's edge, a national symbol perhaps equal to those attacked in America's 9/11. The question that lingers today is who was responsible for this multiple location attack in the world's second most populous city and why.

While westerners have obviously been targeted, to include hotels and restaurants where American and British citizens are known to frequent, the goals of the terrorists who are believed to have taken citizens from at least 11 nations hostage have yet to be determined. If, for example, only Brits and Americans were to be killed or taken hostage, the attacks could have been focused on locations where they could be expected to be found and not on Mumbai's Victoria railroad station through which thousands of the city's 18 million people pass on a daily basis. This would suggest that the taking of western hostages, while a goal of the terrorists, was, perhaps, secondary to their goal of seeking an international stage to make some type of statement via murder and mayhem. Mumbai remains a city gripped by fear as the attacks appear to have evolved into barricade hostage situations, this as the situation enters its second day.

Interestingly enough, the youthful gun toting terrorists are currently believed to have come from outside of India, in this case by ship from Pakistan. After hijacking one or more vehicles and shooting up various locations, a number of the terrorists have been either killed or captured, while others have made some initial demands, to include the release of Islamic terrorists from Indian prisons. Should the terrorists have links to Pakistan, a country that India has had three wars with in the last three decades, the relations between these two countries will be even further strained. Most know that India is home to over 1.1 billion people, 80% of which are Hindus and 12% Muslims, with many of the Indian Muslim population wanting to separate from India and be part of Pakistan. The British split Pakistan off from India in 1947, giving the minority Muslims a country of their own, but these two countries and China all make claim to the massive Kashmir region, a continuing source of conflict in the Indian subcontinent.

The taking of western hostages is probably meant to further capture international attention, a goal the terrorists have obviously achieved. Local hospitals have been overwhelmed with the wounded and the dead, include at least 14 police officers to include the head of the local police anti-terrorist squad, over a dozen of the terrorists, and many citizens from across the city and the world. India, which has witnessed at least seven bombings in that country this year resulting in the deaths of over 200, to include over 4,000 acts of terrorism in the past five years, but this attack is by far more the most coordinated. The Indian authorities will try to stabilize the various situations and attempt to conduct negotiations with the terrorists to gain the release of the hostages, some of which are believed to be American and British bank employees. Most nations, including India, do not like to negotiate with terrorists, as to do so simply makes them believe their demands can actually be achieved through violence. As a hostage negotiator I know that any discussion, any dialogue with hostage takers can be useful in gathering intelligence about the terrorists and the hostages, and can help to facilitate any type of hostage rescue mission in addition to, perhaps, gaining the release of hostages.

Police and military counter terrorism teams are searching the two affected hotels and other locations, floor by floor, room by room, in a dangerous attempt to recover victims, rescue hostages, and arrest terrorists. The current situation makes me recall the 1972 Munich Olympic hostage taking situation where terrorists were able to grab the attention of the world by the taking of hostages, in that case Israeli athletics, 11 of which were killed by the Black September group. As in that situation, a number of intermediaries may try to intervene with the terrorists in an attempt to obtain the release of the hostages, terrorists whose demands may not be achievable. In my case, I negotiated with Cuban hostage takers in three separate prison riots, one of which took place over Thanksgiving 1987, with the many hostage takers making numerous demands against the US government, the majority of which could not be achieved. Two of these situations were eventually resolved via negotiations with a later one requiring a tactical resolution to save lives. While the US, UK and other governments will offer all available resources, the actual negotiations, if any, will be conducted by Indian officials and those intermediaries that are allowed to talk to the terrorists. India, a country plagued by terrorism for years, has once again become the current epi-center of man's inhumanity to man, something the world must witness on almost a daily basis.

On this day of national thanksgiving, I know that many in this and other countries are actively engaged in attempts to resolve the ongoing hostage situations in a peaceful manner. The terrorists must decide their own fate and while suicide or death may make good terrorist news, some of them will likely choose to live and try to fight another day. Negotiations will be conducted as tactical forces develop their hostage rescue plans to be employed if negotiations are non productive, meanwhile fires continue to burn and shots and explosions can still be heard in the city of Mumbai, this while India and Pakistan share a common border and a common mistrust with both country's hands clutching nuclear weapons. Should the terrorists have their roots in Pakistan, communication intercepts indicate some of the terrorists are speaking in a language native to that country, the relationship between these two neighboring countries will likely worsen because of the current attacks, this while the world watches and prays for peace as one of the world's greatest cities remains on lockdown and an untold number of lives continue to hang in the balance.

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{"commentId":4218601,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Thanks for writing this Clint. Just a few points that I wanted to bring up.

L.E.T., another Indian domestic group, members of which were involved in an incident in America and are now imprisoned in this country. (emphasis added)

By L.E.T. I assume you mean Lashkar-e-Toiba. I think this is an error in typing when you say Indian.

My link has this in their intro:

 

Formed in 1990 in the Kunar province of Afghanistan, the Lashkar-e-Toiba (also known as Jama’at-ud-Da’awa) is based in Muridke near Lahore in Pakistan and is headed by Hafiz Muhammad Saeed. (emphasis added)

About your title and reference to it in your article...

a national symbol perhaps equal to those attacked in America's 9/11

The 1993 Mumbai bombings were really equivalent to America’s 9/11. They were far more devastating to life as well as national symbols. Alas, the rest of the world was unaware of the real threat of global terrorism, nor that interested in what was seen as a local matter in the sub-continent for decades. 9/11 brought what India had seen on its streets for decades to the front page for all. It was not surprising that India was among the first countries immediately after that sad day to offer unconditional help and unreserved support.

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Reply#1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:19 AM EST
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Raat,

Thank you for your comments.  They are much appreciated and your points have been incorporated into the article.

CVZ

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#1.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:05 PM EST
{"commentId":4220169,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Thanks Clint.

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#1.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:07 PM EST
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{"commentId":4221395,"authorDomain":"victoria-marie-stevens"}

From current reports, it sounds like they took a very proactive approach to rescuing the hostages.  Risky, but effective. 

Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. Van Zandt.  And thank you for your in-depth report.  

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    Reply#2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:04 PM EST
    {"commentId":4229712,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

    It has been suggested that these attackers had floor plans and details about the hotels and restaurants and buildings they stormed. The automatic weapons, grenades and vehicles used also point to the belief that this was well-organized and part of a larger conspiracy.

    Was the attack on the Lubavitcher's building random, or were they targeted for their religion?

    I have yet to read that any attackers were taken into custody. Some were shot dead, but dead men tell no tales.

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      Reply#3 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:12 AM EST
      {"commentId":4229790,"authorDomain":"mridulchadha"}

      Apparently some of the terrorists worked at the hotels as interns for 4-5 months prior to the attacks that's why they had detailed knowledge of the hotels. The Jewish family taken hostage was most probably targeted because of their religion; one of the terrorists called a news channel and talked about Israel's treatment of the Palestine Muslims. At least one terrorist (possibly two) has been arrested and he has already revealed some crucial information. This terrorist, known as Abu Ismail, was arrested during an encounter on Wednesday night in the Girgam area. He is from Faridkot, a city on Pakistan. This is what has been relieved so far:

      • LeT wanted to show the world that it is still capable of carrying out attacks of this scale so as to attract funds and young people as their activities have taken a hit because of US pressure on Pakistani government.
      • The terrorists came to Mumbai through sea route travelling on a trawler and then on rubber boats.
      • They took training at Karachi for 5-6 months.
      • A satellite phone and a mobile phone has been recovered; several call were received from and made to Karachi and Muzzafarad, Pakistan occupied Kashmir. 
      • Al least two terrorists are European nationals of Pakiatani origin. 

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      #3.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:40 AM EST
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      {"commentId":4229755,"authorDomain":"nigeriawhatisnew"}

      On this day of national thanksgiving, I know that many in this and other countries are actively engaged in attempts to resolve the ongoing hostage situations in a peaceful manner.

      Thanks for the excellent and informative insight to this new form of terror and the world must wake up to people that support these organisations. Terror or any form violence will not resolve any issues, it will only set the world back into the dark ages.

      My concern, however, has always been these, how did such heavily armed people get into a 5 star hotel? Is this waiting to happen in Dubai as the world accepts new $1,000 per night B&Bs while people continue to live in the streets like dogs?

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      Reply#4 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:27 AM EST
      {"commentId":4229826,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

      "My concern, however, has always been these, how did such heavily armed people get into a 5 star hotel? Is this waiting to happen in Dubai as the world accepts new $1,000 per night B&Bs while people continue to live in the streets like dogs?"

      I've often wondered about why the jihadis haven't struck in Dubai. I could be wrong, but my guess is that there's an "arrangement"-- the Dubai government lets terrorist groups exist (and possibly even recruit there?) and leaves them alone. In return, the terrorist groups have agreed to never launch any sort of attack in Dubai.

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      #4.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:54 AM EST
      {"commentId":4229835,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

      "My concern, however, has always been these, how did such heavily armed people get into a 5 star hotel?"

      Therer have been accusations that the Indian government is not as diligent as it should be in preventi8ng terrorism. I do not know if these accusations have any merit, but I came across this article which seems even more relevant in light of the recent attack:

      Delhi carries a small stick

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      #4.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:57 AM EST
      {"commentId":4230049,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

      while people continue to live in the streets like dogs? 

       clearly, you have never been to Dubai.

      the Dubai government lets terrorist groups exist (and possibly even recruit there?) and leaves them alone. In return, the terrorist groups have agreed to never launch any sort of attack in Dubai.

      evidence or sources for such claims?

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      #4.3 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:45 AM EST
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      clearly, you have never been to Dubai

      Fine but when working conditions in a country attract the attention of human rights agencies such as Human Rights Watch, it is recipe for a future Mumbai style seige. While peple continue to live in the streets like dogs was a reference to Beggars Colony.

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      #4.4 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:19 AM EST
      {"commentId":4238016,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

      So let me understand it right. You attribute "people living in the street like dogs" in a place in Bangalore, India and claim that you refer to Dubai. Wow, no wonder the media gets accused of twisting the truth to suit its purposes on occasion. You have illustrated how very well.

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      #4.5 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:45 AM EST
      {"commentId":4240399,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

      Beauty - Part of the discussion is to how the terrorists got into a 5 star hotel.  I was in NYC two weeks ago, arriving at the hotel about midnight.  Only one obvious security guard was present, someone who could have easily been swept aside by two or more dedicated terrorists with AKs and grenades.  I don't know how any hotel could stop such an assault inside the lobby unless the were to discriminate outside the hotel, i.e., if someones clothing and outward appearance did not appear to be up to the hotel's standards, they would be refused entry - a sure discrimination lawsuit in America.  As you recall, many of the dead and wounded came from the assault on the train station, again something that could easily happen in the USA.  You've see the FBI issue a recent warning that terrorists are, perhaps, planning suicide attacks on NYC train and rail stations and the increase in security to meet this challenge.  You can only keep extra police on duty for so long though, and terrorists have proven to have infinite patience...

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        #4.6 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:53 PM EST
        {"commentId":4240769,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

        "As you recall, many of the dead and wounded came from the assault on the train station, again something that could easily happen in the USA.  You've see the FBI issue a recent warning that terrorists are, perhaps, planning suicide attacks on NYC train and rail stations and the increase in security to meet this challenge. "

        Your comment makes me think of a question-- something I've been wondering about since shortly after 911.

        I think everything you say is true-- it would be easy for a group of dedicated terrorists to pull off a Mumbai-style attack in NYC-- or any other American city.  Using the type of weapons they used in Mumbai. But-- also-- why not a suicase full of radioactive dust-- or some dealy virus-- and open it on a subway ..or anywhere downtown--in a mqjor city?

        So-- what I've been wondering about is-- why has there been no major terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 911? There have been quite a few around the world since 911-- but not here.

        I have never heard a satisfsactory explanation for that.

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        #4.7 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:07 PM EST
        {"commentId":4244709,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

        Krishna - I know that a number of planned attacks on the American homeland have been stopped in the planning stage, both in the US and overseas.  Some feel that should the same terrorist group responsible for America's 9/11 plan another attack, it would have to be something greater than 9/11 to show the group's continued power.  Lesser attacks could suggest the group, and the movement behind them, is less powerful and less capable to attack, therefore they still plan for the big one.

        Chemical, biological, radioactive and nuclear weapon attacks are always a great concern, with chemical or biological perhaps being the easiest to do. We've seen such attacks overseas (Japanese subway system) but terrorists seem to return to what they do best and what is easiest for them to do, guns, bullets and bombs.

        Thanks -    

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        #4.8 - Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:41 AM EST
        {"commentId":4251877,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

        "a number of planned attacks on the American homeland have been stopped in the planning stage, both in the US and overseas."  I recently came across this list of those that were thwarted-- I don't know how complete the list is:

        Foiled Terror Plots Against America Since 9/11

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        #4.9 - Mon Dec 1, 2008 7:12 PM EST
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        Krishna,

        As we were told in the early days of 9/11, there will be plots and individuals stopped whose names never make it into the media, this as the affected countries do not want to give up the ways then may have initially obtained the information...

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          #4.10 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:47 AM EST
          {"commentId":4279696,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

          Yes. There are obviously a lot of facts we don't know.

          What never ceases to amaze me is how so many ordinary citizens think they know all the facts. And-- some people posting on Internet websites (Not only here, of course, I 've seen it all over) are sure...that they know.

          (Is Osama dead or alive? If he's alive..where is he located? Well-- I would say that at least 90% of the posts I've seen on the subject are from people who are certain they know the answers to those questions! Heck-- I have no idea what the answers are :-)

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          #4.11 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 5:38 PM EST
          {"commentId":4285933,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

          Krishna,

          I too see and hear experts on a daily basis suggesting that Osama is at a given location, usually in a cave along the Pakistani border.  The US has sent special military teams and cruise missiles and bombed such locations, plus predator unmanned flights are up daily looking for a group of men with a tall, left handed leader.   The reality is that is the US knew where he really was, he'd be dead.  Meanwhile others are left to speculate vs. investigate his whereabouts and activities. 

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