Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Drew Peterson's getting Married (again) - and Why Good Girls choose Bad Guys

Drew Peterson

Scott and Laci Peterson

Most know the name of Drew Peterson, the former Bolingbrook, IL, police sergeant whose last two wives have either disappeared or died under extremely mysterious circumstances. For many, Peterson is the poster boy for narcissism, calling himself the victim in the loss of two women he once promised to love, honor and obey. Most will recall that Peterson's second wife, Vicki Connolly alleged that he consistently abused her during their 10-year marriage. Then there was wife number three, Kathleen Savio, a woman from whom he had recently divorced and the person who stood to get half of his worldly assets, to include their common home and their children, somehow slipped in her own bathtub and died of her injuries, an accident later ruled to be a homicide; killer unknown.

Next came wife number four, Stacy, a young woman dozens of years his junior who was his alibi for the night Savio died. Prior to her October 2007 disappearance, Stacy had indicated that she, like wife number three before her, also wanted a divorce. Peterson suggested that she was intentionally missing, that she had somehow run off with another man, leaving her young children without a mother, this without even packing a bag for herself. Now there appears to be a wife number five on the horizon; and many are asking, "What is she thinking about?"

It's an age-old question: why do women go for "the outlaws" of society, those who live and move so close to the edge that life with them is a daily calculated risk, one many women, it seems, are still prepared to take.

Outlaws, the bad guys of society have always held an interesting attraction to some women. Jesse James, James Dean and even the California Peterson, Scott, who was convicted for the Christmas eve, 2002 murder of his 8-month pregnant wife Laci and their unborn son Conner, receives love letters and offers of marriage while in jail. But so did Ted Bundy, and so did cousins Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono, know collectively in the late 1970's as "the Hill Side Strangler" when they kidnapped, tortured and murdered 10+ women, and so does wacko Charles Manson and other notorious outlaws, some of whom would marry while in prison. O.J. Simpson was never without a girlfriend until he recently went to jail. Drew Peterson, the 54-year-old suspect in the demise of wives three and four, is also known as the man who "humbly" offered himself as first prize in a "win a date with Drew contest" shortly after wife number four disappeared. While most assume that he is still legally married to this last missing 23-year-old spouse, he has, nonetheless, become engaged to potential wife number five, yet another 23-year-old woman, one he has dated for the past four months. Many will recall that marriage has never stopped Peterson from extramarital affairs in the past, noting that he was still married to Kathleen, his third wife when he was dating Stacy, the teenager that would eventually become wife number four.

Age is also no barrier for Peterson, this as he appears to some to look for a younger woman whom he can dominate and who will clean his house, occupy his bed, and care for his two children by Stacy. Peterson complained that the media spoiled his recent relationship with a 22-year-old woman before he moved on to the current "older" woman who has two children of her own by a previous relationship. "Yours, mine and maybe ours..." Anyway, you must assume that Drew and the future Mrs. Peterson have discussed his rather spotted marital history, especially in view of the fact that 50% of his former wives who have wound up either missing or dead, and we can only assume that Drew has convinced her he didn't do it.

Why do women like bad boys?

We see someone like Pamela Anderson dating famous bad boys Tommy Lee and Kid Rock. While some women know in their hearts that dating a bad boy can be self-destructive, they do it anyway. It probably gives some women an emotional high. Athletes, rock stars and other media personalities have written tell-all books than include details about rolls in the hay with literally thousands of women. Others, like recently jailed O.J. Simpson, write books that tongue-in-cheek tell what they did; really what they got away with, meanwhile the really good guys cry out, "Why not me?"

Because some women don't view them as cool, that's why.

While the hardworking, nose-to-the grindstone guy may be the foundation of a stable relationship, he may also, unfortunately bring little excitement to the kitchen table and beyond. Many women see the bad guy as someone with a high degree of self-confidence, someone who is self-assured, an independent man possessed of energy and an aura of power around him. He literally "glows in the dark." This type of guy comes off as an adventurous risk-taker, an on-the-edge person who acts with authority and who demands and gets respect from others. Better yet, he's interesting because he sometimes functions outside the often boring rules of society.

Some women can draw power, energy and even social status from their association with a bad boy who constantly lives on the edge. In this world, you either have your own identity or you share that of another. For some women, their identity is probably associated with dating or being married to a well-known figure. For others, being associated with a locally or nationally-known political figure can be personally rewarding, even if he is many years older or many inches shorter. Some women have learned to live vicariously through their partner, finding the other person's life far more interesting and exciting than their own, denying the negative that appears evident to everyone but her.

And then there are women with low self-esteem and a challenged personal image who may believe that any man is better than no man. This can be hard to swallow, though, in our 21st century world where women can find success and happiness whether or not they're in a relationship. Many women, unlike some of their male counterparts, simply do not need male arm candy.

Risks from co-dependency to abuse

The police were called to the Peterson residence a number of times over the years for complaints of domestic abuse. Many believe that Peterson, as a cop, was given a pass by his fellow officers, like the one he apparently got when the death of his third wife was initially ruled accidental. It was when wife three and four finally had had enough and wanted to take their money and run that they disappeared, one way or another.

My guess is that this new relationship for Peterson and his fiancée, like most others, meets their individual needs. Theirs may be a co-dependency, one where he needs her because he always needs to have a woman— someone to cook for him, bathe his kids, allow him to run around at night and still tell him that he's not a murderer. He may also need someone who looks at him like he's a wonderful provider, in this case perhaps a father figure substitute who exerts absolute rule in the home. While the fifth try may succeed, there will be those who will suggest that the future bride consider a suit of armor instead of a neglige for her wedding night.

The bottom line in most cases is that a woman should probably never enter into a relationship with a bad guy or an outlaw to whom she is attracted— and by that, I mean men who are real law breakers- as such relationships can be both emotionally and physically destructive. A woman should not enter into such a relationship thinking this man will change for her as she cannot "heal him" nor turn him around. Any woman who tries to do that will likely get hurt. Outlaws like to dominate and control their women, treating them like a possession rather than a partner. Some outlaws are just drug store cowboys, passing themselves off as someone other than who they really are (like creating a new persona in an Internet chat room). Others are true sociopaths who will use, manipulate, lie, and take what they want because they believe they are entitled to it. Such men are not in the relationship to meet the woman's needs, and they will walk all over their partner emotionally — and sometimes physically.

Worse yet, a woman can try in vain to make the relationship work, believing "if she only tried harder," she could change him. Remember this: "Bad guys equal bad relationships."

Someone who brings out the best in you

Many women who date "outlaws" eventually realize a solid, but perhaps boring guy can provide true relational stability. A good guy can be a wonderful partner in life and a good role model for future children. The key in any relationship is to find someone who brings out the best in you, someone you can trust and be secure and safe with. Life may not always be wild and crazy, but it will all make sense. At least in the end, when the fun (and the outlaw) have long since left the marriage, you won't be saying to yourself, "Why did I ever get involved with that guy anyway?"

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This is a comment that is directed to Jeff. Jeff was on MSNBC this morning around 8:50-9am discussing the Drew Peterson story and was commenting on the fact that Drew Peterson's new girl works at the front desk of a hotel. Jeff apparently thinks that working behind the front desk of a hotel requires "no intelligence". I'm hear to tell you as hardworking American citizen who works behind the front desk of a hotel that Jeff needs to get back on T.V. and in front of the American people apologize for his comments. Jeff clearly has never held this type of position before nor would he, because it is obviously beneath him to do so. However, if he did, he would realize that not only does it require intelligence Jeff, but that there are a lot of highly intelligent, hardworking, dedicated people behind those desks that have to deal with elitists like you who come to the front desk treating us just as though we are beneath you and that we don't have any intelligence. Jeff you and your comments are an embarrassment, and you should be disgusted of yourself. I'm telling the truth when I say I want you to get back on T.V.  and issue a public apology for your comments. I will not rest until you do.

Kory/San Diego

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Reply#1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:32 PM EST
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Kory,

I didn't see MSNBC's report on this case today and, offhand, do not know who Jeff is.  I have spoken at one of our nation's best colleges where one of their star programs was their hotel management program, where after obtaining a degree, they still work at the front desk of a hotel as that is where the action is, the heart and mind of a major corporation.  I like to hope that the Jeff you refer to had no intention of demeaning hotel employees.  Again this was not me, therefore my level of personal disgust for myself has not changed because of this incident. 

Thanks for writing, and if I meet Jeff, I'll let him know how you feel and that I think your feelings are totally justified.

If we meet across a front desk, please give me a no smoking,  upgraded room.

Best,

Clint Van Zandt

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#1.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:10 PM EST
{"commentId":5912211,"authorDomain":"jcforrester2"}

Howdy Kory,

I'm a hotel worker myself. Didn't see the show but certainly agree with your point.

If I see Mr. Van Zandt's reservation its an automatic Upgrade! I did the same for Robert and Susan Levy back in November 2001 and Ron Paul in 2007.

James

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#1.2 - Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:06 AM EDT
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{"commentId":4483475,"authorDomain":"lindaluvscats"}

The bottom line is women get involved with 'bad boys' due to their own low self-esteem.  That's it.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Especially when the bad boys are the abusive type and/or in prison.  Even Pamela Anderson thought she was unattractive growing up and she was very pretty before all the plastic surgery.  It's extremely hard to lose that feeling on the inside no matter how much you may cover it up or change on the outside. 

Regarding Drew Peterson's engagement, he is obviously flaunting that he knows Stacy is dead and hasn't just run off, which is what pretty much everyone else knows, too.  I can't wait for the day when he gets his due, and he will. 

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Reply#2 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:23 PM EST
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MeMe

We like to think that eventually you pay for your crimes, one way or the other.  Just ask O.J.

Be Safe

CVZ

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#2.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:31 PM EST
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Dennis,

We can't convict based upon public opinion, otherwise you and I would put a lot of guys in jail...

CVZ

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Reply#4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:47 PM EST
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Dear, staight from the heart, Dennis.  These guys are good at getting out of stuff. They can charm the birds out of the trees.  They are very hard to convict in a jury trial. It isn't the system, this type of troll just knows the con.

We just gotta hope his ego eventually gets him in trouble he can't charm his way out of. In the mean time, we know, The Big Guy has is eye on him.  And so does CVZ!!

your friend, emersontwain

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#4.2 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:05 PM EST
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Thanks CVZ.  Good in-sites. 

Here is a little  inside skinny from one of those women. 

These guys are very aggressive and ignore or do not see a woman's boundaries. They just walk right in and take over their lives with, constant attention, sleep deprivation and the 'honor' system. You know what I mean.

It's, honey, I'm tough with everyone but you. You are the one person in the world I need,....feeds the woman's ego who has low self esteem and probably abuse in her past.

She may be looking for that champion knight to save her from the 'other' bad guys. She definitely is looking for some control. Like this is My bad guy and he is on my leash.  Well that is the delusion. 

The only way out for a woman, once she has made her deal with her particular devil is, first acknowledge her own control issue, and get clear in her head that it will be certain death to stay and possible death to leave. 

Then she has to go, stay away, never another word, and never look back, and find a safe place, like a women's shelter. 

It will be like getting over an addiction, and like any addict she must realize she can never play that scenario again. If she is to live. Each contact after she has left this man only escalates his sense of rage.

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Reply#5 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:14 PM EST
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emersontwain,

As much head knowledge as many people have, myself, in some ways, included, we can never know what it is like to walk in your shoes.  I'm glad you made it for, as you indicate, many do not.

Be Safe!

CVZ

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#5.1 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:44 PM EST
{"commentId":4526538,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

I know. I was very fortunate. That was how I new OJ was guilty. When his Attorney read that letter of his. Heard it all be for...the good OJ and the bad OJ....all that self pity. I just knew. So, of course I was obsessed with the OJ trial. Unfortunately, I believe the prosecution blew it. Even, knowing in my heart, he did it, I wouldn't have been able to give a guilty verdict.

 Affability is a trademark of the type and the defense did the rest. They are hard to convict. It's the same with Peterson. Lets hope we get to see a little justice while he is still in this world. They are creatures of habit. Slaves to it. So, maybe he will run into his own ego someday, like OJ did.

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#5.2 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:58 PM EST
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I showed a picture of Drew Peterson to my 16 year old daughter and pointed out that he started dating Stacy when she was 17.  Her response was that she and many of her peers would find the pairing to be completely gross.  So who knows what kind of background that Stacy came from which would position her to find this man attractive.  Since my daughter is still a minor I can intervene if an older man starts to sniff around her skirts. 

As a community activist I have advocated on behalf of forming citizen review boards to evaluate illegal behavior done by officers.  One recent incident where I live involved a detective who was caught driving drunk on wrong side of an interstate.  To add to this situation she was in a squad car when the state police pulled her over. She is allowed to plea bargain to a misdemeanor DUI and keep her license. I've heard that she will be suspended but not fired. This type of treatment is extremely lenient and shows that often the people who we trust to enforce the law can break it without suffering harsh penalties.

Police officers need to be able to band together and provide a united front in any situation and it fosters a culture where officers will not be inclined to 'snitch' on one another.  So it's no surprise that Peterson avoided questions in the death of his third wife. It's also my understanding that the divorce and alcoholism rates amongst police tends to run very high.  There may be specific mental health needs that have yet to be addressed and the screening processes for hiring might need to be tweaked to weed out sociopaths. Sometimes in order to be a good cop you have to think like a criminal and it's possible that some of our officers are attracted to police work for that reason.

Peterson has not been charged with any crime and, in our justice system, a man is innocent until proven guilty. My own personal opinion is that the guy is a dirt bag, but being a jackass is not illegal. Some places actually have laws that limit the number of times a person can legally marry so Peterson may be pushing his limits here.

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Reply#6 - Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:49 AM EST
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This could happen to anyone's daughter. Guys like this are very good at the con. Many Dad's and Mom's have had to watch their daughters caught up in a mess like this. One thing you can do is be sure your daughter knows that she is a prize worth more than rubies. And that if she wants the best in life, she must get it for herself, and not have it given to her by someone else, because the strings attatched could be deadly. Be on guard and act quickly by getting her away from him ASAP. But, remember, charm and affability are their stock and trade.

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#6.1 - Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:58 AM EST
{"commentId":4544871,"authorDomain":"mlwilki"}

Hi emersontwain:

I do agree that part of my job as a parent is to teach my daughter to value herself as a person and a human being. This includes reinforcing that she does not need a man in order to feel complete. You are also correct that guys like DP are very capable of turning on the charm and, out of fairness, he may have managed to con the families of his wives as well.

Personally I don't get what women see in him anyway. Then again he really isn't my type.

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#6.2 - Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:02 PM EST
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I enjoyed the article and I was pleasantly surprised that is wasn't too heavy on the woman as victim bent.  I'm a woman and I'm frustrated when women are portrayed as hapless victims to men.  We are completely capable of pathology and many women date bad boys or do other self destructive behavior for reasons other than early victimization by men or low self esteem.  Please keep writing articles that show women equally healthy, disordered or pathological as men, they are!  Its the only way to really erase sexism. 

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Reply#7 - Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:10 PM EST
{"commentId":4602598,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

Sunny,

Thanks for your words.  As a profiler I always sought out the opinions of our female profilers as they, like you, had a unique prospective that I could never bring to the table.

Best,

CVZ

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#7.1 - Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:36 PM EST
{"commentId":4669740,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

Sunny,

Thanks very much! I agree with you. Besides, Victim Status, will not get a woman out of the situation, or keep her from getting into it, regardless of the causes. Somehow we must get out of the Victim Habit to survive and be healthy and safe.

These guys are not always looking for helpless women. Some like women to take care of them who appear strong, but flawed like themselves.  It can be wierd passive aggressive dance, between two people who want to be in control. 

As a woman involved it one of those scary relationships, I was not able to get out of it, until, I stopped thinking of myself as a victim, and began to see what I was getting out of it. Also, I needed to understand my own control issues and my anger.

Truly, in the end, it was my need to control the situation, and my ego,and my anger that kept me coming back. Most women, are not encouraged to recognise their own anger. We channel it into depression, and self destructive behavior.

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#7.2 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 11:50 AM EST
{"commentId":4771965,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

Sunny,

Obviously your ability to look into yourself may have saved for from an even worse situation.  I wish such could be bottled and passed out for the good of all...

Best,

CVZ

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#7.3 - Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:19 AM EST
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{"commentId":4838532,"authorDomain":"roover685"}

I just noticed that the first poster mentioned Drew's new love worked at the front desk of a hotel.  I don't know if this is confirmed or not, but it IS interesting to note that he met Stacy when she was working the front desk of a hotel, too! 

Also, OJ met Nicole when she was a young waitress.  After he murdered her, he eventually hooked up with a Nicole-look-a-like who he met while she was working as a waitress.  I guess these guys just know what works and keep coming back for more!

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Reply#8 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:14 AM EST
{"commentId":4846863,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

I truly think, that they must keep an illusion of power, but they are slaves to thier habits.  Hopefully, this is what will trip them up in the end.

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#8.1 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:58 PM EST
{"commentId":4852383,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

blackcat,

When you find the right fishing hole, you keep returning to the same place.  It worked in the past, why not again?

Best,

CVZ

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#8.2 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:28 PM EST
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{"commentId":4852428,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

Emerson...

It is said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the results to be different each time.  These guys know exactly what the results will be and they are not crazy, but do believe they can get away with anything (something like OJ, Joran V/D/S, Bill Clinton, the Ill Gov (and govs past)., and on and on...)

Best,

CVZ

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Reply#9 - Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:33 PM EST
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