Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Update: Caylee Anthony: manner of death - homicide; method of death - unknown

Caylee Marie Anthony- RIP

We now know what most have believed for the past eight days. The human remains found less than ½ mile from the Anthony home are those of missing Caylee Anthony. The FBI Lab used nuclear DNA developed from a tooth or bone of the deceased to produce a DNA profile what was compared to the known DNA profile of Caylee Anthony. It was a match. Now what is next?

Roy Kronk, the local meter reader that found the remains in a wooded area near the Anthony home on 12/11, also reported his suspicions concerning the same area over four months ago. Questions remain regarding why he waited four months to follow up on his own tip to law enforcement, but like the rest of this case, this is the tip of an iceberg that needs to be fully exposed.

The FBI Evidence Response Team needed at least three different sieves of varying sizes in order to find the many tiny bones that once made up a little girl, the one we see over and over on television as she sings, reads, and acts like a normal two-year-old. Now all that remains are tiny bones and pictures that will grow old, but Caylee will always be two. Christmas is a time that families come together, a time for children as, after all, Christmas is for kids. The Anthony family will see December 25, 2008 as their first of many without their granddaughter Caylee, and in this case, without their daugher Casey.

The local medical examiner announced that the remains were those of Caylee. She also indicated Caylee had died from homicide, but the manner of death was unknown, and may never be known. No soft tissue was recovered from the bones found at the body disposal site although hair consistent with the victim was recovered with the victim's skull. There was no indication of trauma to the bones, i.e., no injury to the bones prior to death. What was not indicated was the ME's ability to discriminate between trauma prior to death and evidence of post mortem activity, perhaps by animals that could be responsible for the distribution of the bones at the body recovery site. The ME indicated that her findings were based upon circumstantial evidence, examination of the remains, and other evidence from the recovery site and other locations. With someone as young as Caylee, though, a soft kill would not be evident; by this she could have been choked or smothered without leaving any indication of how she died.
In crimes such as this, there can be at least three crime scenes that investigators need to identify: where the murder took place, the vehicle used to transport the victim, and, the body disposal site. Authorities have the disposal site and may have evidence of transportation of the body in a car used by Casey Anthony. Where the murder or death of the child occurred has yet to be identified.

There is also the ongoing issue of the meter reader, the man who allegedly found the victim's remains. Did investigators fail to adequately follow up on the tipster's first three calls, or was the information so nonspecific, just one of 5,600 tips that have come in, that the remains were somehow missed. The disposal site was more than two acres in size, much of which was overgrown with scrub trees, weeds, underbrush, and inhabited by a few rattlesnakes and other small critters. Trash was evident throughout the area and the report of a suspicious plastic bag would not, in and of itself, cause a major search to be conducted of the area. What was potentially lost, though, was the presence of soft tissue on the remains that could have been tested for evidence of drugs and chemicals, and perhaps, the ability to actually suggest the cause of death.

My challenge with the information concerning the recovery of Caylee's body is that if the meter reader felt so strongly concerning the area that he called authorities three different times to report a suspicious bag, why didn't he just pick up the bag and look inside himself, and why did he wait four months to search the area? Of course I am assuming, and we know what happens when one assumes. Mr. Kronk may, for example, have searched the area on multiple occasions before finding the remains of Caylee. Many questions; few answers. Why did he feel the need to obtain the services of an attorney? After all, why couldn't he tell his story and stick to it, although there may well be much more to his story that is known by investigators and today many feel that you just can't be too careful.

The medical examiner left the door open for the still to come toxicology examination, but again, without soft tissue/flesh, investigators are left to examining bone marrow, teeth and hair. Bone marrow is a rich source of blood that could show long-term ingestion of poison or other chemicals, and the hair, which grows 1 cc per month, could show the presence of foreign substances, to include illegal drugs, medicines, and, perhaps, chloroform, however the latter could have evaporated before being identified in the victim's remains. By this, with no evidence of injury to the bones, to include the skull of the victim, and should the toxicology examination produce nothing of investigative interest, this without the person responsible for Caylee's death coming forward and telling the truth, we may never know how she died. Although this is not necessarily unusual in such cases, it does present a challenge for the prosecution, and an opening for the defense.

It is, of course, the job of the defense to suggest and/or create reasonable doubt in the mind of future jurors. Combine the questions that have arisen concerning the actions of the meter reader with the undetermined method of death and this case may present significant problems for the prosecution. How, for example, will the prosecution prove murder one? The future jury will know that the child died and was the likely victim of a homicide, but the who, the where, the when and the why still need to be answered.

What we have yet to hear is any evidence suggesting that the victim's remains were under water for a significant period of time. We know that Hurricane Fay swept through this area on August 20, seven, eight, and nine days respectively after the telephone calls to authorities by the meter reader. If the remains were placed in this location prior to August 20, then Casey could have placed them there. But if the remains are believed to have been placed there after the hurricane waters eventually receded, this when Casey was either under surveillance or in jail, then obviously someone else had to place them there.

A window of reasonable doubt has been opened with the finding of Caylee's remains. The defense dream team will all attempt to climb through this window while investigators attempt to slam it shut. The delusion that George and Cindy clung to has now been exposed to the cruel light of the crime scene. Whether in denial or just supporting their daughter, the Anthony's must not only face the loss of their granddaughter, but also the potential of their daughter's involvement in Caylee's demise. And when Casey was told of the identification of the remains as her daughter, she sent her church pastor away, choosing to speak instead to her lawyer. Was she in shock, had she prepared herself for this information, did she already know before being told, or did she know that authorities would be watching and chose not to expose her emotions by talking to her pastor?

Evidence from the Car Trunk

One thing the defense will need overcome is the findings of the FBI Laboratory concerning the trunk of Casey's car. Examination of the carpet in the trunk revealed at least 51 individual chemicals, 41 or (80%) that are consistent with evidence of human decomposition, seven of which are significant evidence of the chemicals associated with human decomposition, only one of which is chloroform. Nearly all of the compounds present in the early stage of human decomposition were detected in the carpet, none of which are associated with animal decomposition. By this, the story told by the grandparents about rotting pizza or dead squirrels simply does not coincide with the scientific evidence. Perhaps the nanny stole Casey's car when she kidnapped Caylee...

If guilty, can we expect that Casey will eventually feel the need to clear her conscience? Probably not. Casey appears to have a well-developed self preservation instinct, one that protects her from self incrimination. Should she become convinced that she can be convicted she might then, and only then consider a plea bargain, but otherwise expect to hear that the nanny did it.

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Very well done.

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Reply#1 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:40 AM EST
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Thanks,

I'm at MSNBC trying to make sense of this case for the TV audiences.  Hard to do at times,,,

Best,

CVZ

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#1.1 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:45 AM EST
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I wish we could just "torture" the truth out of her.....whatever it takes...but no, we might violate her rights...what a joke...she simply just doesn't care and I don't expect she'll ever admit anything. If she gets off on a technicallity, I'll be sickened with disgust in my heart and will pray that God will seek his own justice or vengence apon her! I can't even look at a little girl today without thinking of Caylee....really really breaks my heart what she suffered.

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#1.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:09 AM EST
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Heck of a...

If we torture, we are simply repeating the crime many feel the mother vested upon her young daughter. Again, she'll only admit what is best for her, and right now it appears that she'd rather stick a sharp stick into the eyes of society, telling us all where to go, When we see this story on TV nightly, it's like watching the two 9/11 planes hit the twin towers over and over and over.

Best,

CVZ

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#1.3 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:25 AM EST
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CVZ, I certainly wouldn't mean "physically" torture her...but definetly interrogate, better word, I should have said that.....it's just so frustrating when it just stares you right in the face. Sorry for the strong implications...while I do believe in the death penalty, I truly am not a violent person. I mean "break" her down if that's possible.

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#1.4 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:07 PM EST
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Heck of a,

Once she's advised of her rights and she refuses to talk and then obtains the services of an attorney, law enforcement cannot even talk to her unless she either waves her rights, and usually you need insure her attorney knows, or unless she and her attorney submit to an interview, together. I have seen too many criminals in my career just cross their arms and smile at you, knowing they know the secret of their crime, or the location of their victim, and they, as sociopaths one and all, take delight in your frustration. There are far better ways to earn a living...

Be Safe!

CVZ

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#1.5 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:22 AM EST
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I know that, it's frustrating when you have the she "devil" just sittin there looking at you with those blank eyes..........she really makes me wanna puke. I would really like to just slap her across the face. Mind you this is just how I feel. I know it can't be done and wouldn't do a thing....but then again...a good slap across the face is what she should have had a long, long time ago!

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#1.6 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:20 PM EST
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Heck of a,

I once had a relative who suggested most people needed a good kick in the pants on occasion, perhaps along the same line as you write. Pls see my new and updated article on this story, as of today.

Best,

CVZ

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#1.7 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:03 AM EST
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I do appreciate your updates and insight...don't see much on TV about it anymore...I guess not until the trial or close to it. I will follow your lead........thanks!

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#1.8 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:01 AM EST
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Donna,

Having grandchildren the age of Caylee, it's hard to talk without choking up.  As a profiler though, we knew we had to be the voice for victims who could no longer speak for themselves.  Tough at night thought when you think back about all the tragic losses over the years though.

Many thanks for your kind words.

Best,

CVZ

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Reply#3 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:45 PM EST
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What I do not understand is that Casey Anthony has stated repeatedly to her parents and to others that she could not talk about Caylee's disappearance because they might harm her and/or the family.  Now, that the remains are proven to be Caylee's why hasn't anyone questioned Casey about all of the information that she supposidly knows of the so-called kidnapping?

We all know that Casey is out to protect herself.

You did a great job in reporting this very sad story.

Walt

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Reply#4 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:31 PM EST
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Walt,

Great question and one that will surely come out in court.  Casey's parents will now need to face the probability that everything they said was wrong and that their daughter has consistently lied to them as well as everyone else.  I can see why they now avoid the media as they would need to answer your question...

Best,

CVZ

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#4.1 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:57 AM EST
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I believe Casey's parents are in pathological denial about Casey, all together. Mom seems to have had one good instinct, when she brought Casey home and called the police.I think in their hearts they know their daughter.  They are going to have a huge burden to deal with. The loss of their daughter and granddaughter. The poor meter reader, will probably be thown out as a red herring by the defense, but how could he be involved?

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    #4.2 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 5:45 PM EST
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    Emerson,

    I think your comment re Cindy is correct.  No matter what people think of them, few of us have had to walk a mile in their shoes and fewer less would want to...

    CVZ

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      #4.3 - Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:24 AM EST
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      {"commentId":4509829,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

      The evidence of human decomposition found in the trunk of Casey's car is certainly damning. However, it was chemicals, and they are consistent with this theory.

      I recall that in the case of the missing British toddler, Madeleine McCann (who went missing while her parents left her unattended while dining with friends on their vacation in Portugal), there were also reports of evidence of human decomposition found in a rental car.

      Yet that case stalled, the McCanns lawyered-up and refused to be interrogated for weeks, and the parents were seemingly portrayed more as victims than as persons of interest. I'm not sure if evidence of human decomposition actually yields DNA evidence, or merely chemicals.

      I hate to say it, but if there's no confession from Ms. Anthony, this case will be hard to prove. The toddler's death has been ruled a homicide, but no soft tissue was recovered and the water and decomposition took their toll on the remains. I'd hate to see a murderer walk, but that is possible here.

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        Reply#5 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:40 PM EST
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        caroaber

        Much of what was released to and through through the media in the McCann case was either made up by the police or the media.  Some reporters sat in local resturants and made up stories that they swapped among themselves...

        If the prosecution can introduce Casey's lies and the physical evidence, a decomposed hair of Caylee's was also in the trunk, they may be able to press their case, but murder 1 will be another challenge..

        CVZ

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        #5.1 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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        Everytime I listen or read transcripts from Casey's original police interviews, I catch more and more lies.  She believes her lies.  I agree with CVZ, if convinced she's guilty,  maybe she will strike a plea.  As long as her parents enable her and there is someone to believe her lies, she will believe her lies and not tell what happened to Caylee.   I'm sure Casey has been trouble all of her life.  She is a con just like all psychopaths.  This is her first "big" trouble.  Her parents have always enabled her and everyone around her has too.  Oh sure, Cindy was an iron hand, but when it comes down to it she doesn't want to admit that Casey does things wrong.  Then she would have to admit she failed!  She is a nurse, she should know psychopathic personality is nature and nurture.  I feel for her parents and brother.  Caylee was their life  (as evident by video alone) and they lost both mom and child.  CVZ, that is a great unbiased story you have given us about this case.  Sorry, she is GUILTY! I am so tired of hearing from Casey's attorney "You don't now the full story" right, we don't.  How did you kill her CASEY?  Why did you leave her in the woods?  Where did you kill her? Was this a mistake and cover up? Or, did you do this to upset your mom?  

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          Reply#6 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:06 AM EST
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          Kristilynn,

          I hope if Casey attempts to plea bargain, that no bargain is given unless she totally comes clean on the entire story.  As she's likely never "come totally clean" in her life, this will be hard for her to do.  But again, if it's best for her and she totally believes this, she just may tell "most" of the truth, but it will again likely be self serving.

          And if we don't know the full story, tell it to us Mr. defense attorney...

          Best,

          CVZ

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            #6.1 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:37 AM EST
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            Clint, first and foremost, I am a huge fan, I am studying criminal behavior and am majoring in criminal justice, I was horrified to find out with the rest of the world about little Caylee, what a beautiful child, and for this to be the outcome is just horrible. But I must say that every thing the police and investigators have done thus far has been within reason, My question is why did the individual who made the first call, not be more persistent with authorities, or for that matter, look inside the bag, four months ago? anyone who kept returning to the same site, should have been a little more inquisitive. Keep up the grat commentary, look forward to your response.     Chiquita

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            Reply#7 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:15 AM EST
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            Clint, first and foremost, I am a huge fan, I am studying criminal behavior and am majoring in criminal justice, I was horrified to find out with the rest of the world about little Caylee, what a beautiful child, and for this to be the outcome is just horrible. But I must say that every thing the police and investigators have done thus far has been within reason, My question is why did the individual who made the first call, not be more persistent with authorities, or for that matter, look inside the bag, four months ago? anyone who kept returning to the same site, should have been a little more inquisitive. Keep up the great commentary, look forward to your response.     Chiquita

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            Reply#8 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:18 AM EST
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            Clint, Just had a thought, perhaps if Casey spoke to a Clergy maybe she would feel free to speak about all that happened to little Caylee, She can't be that inhumane, keep in mind that was her baby(she gave birth, carried her for nine months, she couldn't be that sinister? Could she? I hope not, But then again, she has kept silent for this long..........

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              #8.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST
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              Chiquita,

              Regarding the meter reader, the challenge with his story is exactly as you state. If he was so sure that the bag contained something as to cause all of his actions over a period of days and months, why not simply look in the bag.  I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but it is a significant bump in the road in this investigation.

              Regarding the Clergy, you may recall that she had refused to see her local pastor on the day the remains were confirmed to be that of Caylee.  It has been suggested that Stacey Peterson allegedly told a local Chicago area minister of her husband (Drew Peterson's) involvement in the death of his third wife, but now Stacey is no longer around and the weight of what she told the pastor evidently was not enough to get police to move against Drew.  Casey has told and lived her story for so long that short of some type of deal that she truly believed was best for her, I doubt she would be willing to tell all to the pastor simply because of what he represented.

              Best,

              CVZ

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                #8.2 - Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:38 AM EST
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                {"commentId":4511592,"authorDomain":"amber121980"}

                I don't think any of this makes sense. If it had something to do with the meter reader, And Casey knew she was innocent. It seems like she would show some kind of feeling and emotions on t.v. about her daughter being missing (before they found her.) She wouldn't of  had chemical in her trunck.  And she wouldn't of been partying, instead of having the cops look for her. and why did she say that  she was pertecting her family. so I think she partied all the time because she didn't know what to tell her family about how she died. and didn't know where to put the body so she left it in her trunk, until she knew someone would find it. she's sick in the head she's already in jail it's going to be hard to be proven not guilty, so why doesn't she just admit it and let her poor baby rest in peace. at least give her peace now sinse she didn't have it before.

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                  Reply#9 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:58 AM EST
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                  a.r.,

                  You're right, but remember, this is and always has been all about Casey. 

                  Be safe!

                  CVZ

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                  #9.1 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:38 AM EST
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                  I must agree, CVZ, you are doing a fine job of exposing this horrific story.  Unfortunately, Caylee was born of a young woman who obviously was not fit to mother a child.  No matter which way you look at it, Casey either knew who killed her daughter or she killed her daughter herself.  In either case, she is at fault in this matter.

                  I am no lawyer, but I feel Casey will make a plea of insanity.  This might be the closest she will ever get to telling the truth.  A mother would have to be insane to let a month go by without looking for her child.  Only an insane person could devise lie after lie to cover up the truth. 

                  While I do not condone the death penalty, I do not know what would be a fit sentance for this mother should she be found guilty by the court.  What would be a fit punishment for someone who either killed his or her child or even allowed it to occur?

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                    Reply#10 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:36 PM EST
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                    I don't think she is insane, she is just viciously savage. As for a fit sentence for her? Well, I could name a few things, but it definitely would not pass muster on this board. One of them that would consists of binding her hands and feet, and beating the blood out of her, then pour alcohol on the open wounds until she is screaming in pain.  The woman that gave birth to me did that all but binding the hands and feet, and I can tell you it is a VERY painful thing to happen.

                    Bottom line, she needs to be tortured to death. That poor baby never asked for anything but love and instead got death. Even animals don't do that.

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                      #10.1 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:46 PM EST
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                      Phuggy,

                      First and foremost, I am sorry for what you went through at the hands of your birth mother.  So many people want but cannot have a child while others are so ill prepared for parenthood that they do the terrible things you indicate your mother did to you.  The challenge for you and all abused people is to draw the line in the sand; say the abuse stops at this generation.  As bad as many believe the actions of Casey were in this case, they may, just may have been representative of some type of accident or miscalculation vs. the intentional pain you suffered.  The criminal justice system is not set up to obtain revenge but to punish, in most cases to remove someone from society do they cannot commit a similar crime, until they get out that is...

                      I cannot say I feel your pain, but I have spoken to hundreds of pained individuals and I can only guess what you went through.  I hope that you can find something missing from your mother that you have, the ability to feel the pain of others and the desire to help others avoid the pain you felt.  I'm not doing a Dr. Phil on you, but for you to relive your pain through the media reporting of such cases does not allow you to heal.

                      Best,

                      CVZ 

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                        #10.2 - Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:48 AM EST
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                        {"commentId":4517209,"authorDomain":"kgrant1email"}

                        I am sure Casey will probably claim to be bipolar or borderline or come up with something else other than PSYCHOPATH to blame this crime on.  It won't work.  A sociopath is real evil.  Her lies have cast a doubt on insanity.  She admitted to the police that she had lied to them.  There is no defense for evil!  I have no pity for Casey because she has brought this on herself by making poor choices.  Bad decision making is not insanity it is a consequence of her impulsive actions and  lack of morals.  She allowed herself to do things that were wrong, and they became easier the more she did.  Her world is out of control by her choice!  Now she has brought her family and an innocent child into her demise and ruined so many lives.  It's all about Casey!   It's not fair how much energy is spend on Casey.  She has hurt so many....wasted so much money....caused so many problems....Casey is not insane she is manipulative and self centered.   Punishment should  be life in prison (death is an easy way out), lots of counseling to help her to develop a conscious and constant reminders of life on the outside and video and pictures of Caylee alive and in death in her cell.  I have read that sociopathic personality traits start to dissipate later in life, around the thirtys.  Keep her in jail....let her develop a conscious and torture her with what she has done to everyone every day of her life!  Fair?  Death is too easy! RIP CAYLEE

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                          Reply#11 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:52 PM EST
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                          well phuggy...i agree that she deserves pain hopefully WHEN she is guilty the other inmates will do to her what I am sure we have all thought about.......  Anyway....I don't think that this should be a difficult case if the prosecution does the right thing...facts are facts.....anyone who does not report thier child missing & instead is out shopping in Target with phony checks & partying in clubs....is guilty.When she should have had photos of her missing child on the internet instead she had pictures of men grabbing her boobs on MY SPACE......the vacant for 3 months nanny apartment??the evidence of caylees(they found a hair of hers that showed decomposition along with the other ridiculous amounts of evidence in that trunk) decomposing corpse in HER  car(also never reported missing),shovels borrowed from neighbors???google searches on neck breaking & household weapons????I mean come on the list just goes on & on....what does the defense have???
                          An open window...of what????a meter reader that was there 3 months ago...WOW!!Seriously...they had a lot less circumstantial evidence for Scott Petersen & look where he is...on death row where she should be!!

                          Please god...if there is no justice in this case & that poor excuse for a mother gets away with it.....it would be a million times worse than O.J.....I would NEVER have faith in the system again!!!

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                            Reply#12 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:11 PM EST
                            {"commentId":4518872,"authorDomain":"joehance"}

                            These insights into this case are all very accurate in my opinion.I do however have a question that has bothered me for a few months now. I strongly believe that when the mother overheard Casey  talking to her brother in her room at her parents in private, the night the first calls were made to 911, that Casey said the Nanny took the baby and not Zanny took the baby. Does it seem as possible to anyone else out there that the mother heard wrong, then suggested the name to Casey which then invoked this whole story about Zanny Gonzales... In my opinion I think that maybe Casey was looking for apartments and saw the name and when the mother mentioned that name which she believed Casey said, it rang a bell and she went with it, not thinking it would go any further than a name. Now again I have no experience just a want for answers and insight.

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                              Reply#13 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 AM EST
                              {"commentId":4520402,"authorDomain":"jiggy"}

                              I just want to know WHY. It makes me sick when I hear that a parent would do something like this.

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                              Reply#14 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:30 AM EST
                              {"commentId":4528603,"authorDomain":"lacosa2"}

                              casey anthony is guilty of killing her daughter and that is all there is to it - whether it was accidental or intentional shouldnt be the focus of this case - rather, the repeated practice of casey anthony drugging her child in order for her to be free to pursue her partying ways - only a monster could be capable of such behavior

                              by you adding in all these farfetched scenarios of possible third man on the grassy knoll type nonsense you only serve to attempt to further confuse an already confusing situation and it reeks of just more sensationalism that this case doesnt need

                              the culprit is right where she belongs right now and that place is in prison be it for the rest of her life or until she is too old to be able to appreciate the rest of it - all of caseys lies and mixed truths are coming back to haunt her and rightly so - now leave it to a jury of her peers to decide her fate and let this tragical farce end.

                              rest in peace caylee anthony - you deserved much better than what you got - maybe casey anthonys imprisonment will help to even the score a little - not by much but yes a little.

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                                Reply#15 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:25 PM EST
                                {"commentId":4529086,"authorDomain":"dianekirse"}

                                The news said that if she wants to go to the funeral a judge would have to sign an order to allow her to do so.  I hope this does not happen.  She killed her child.  She should not be allowed to attend the funeral.  Why would she.  She had no regard. affection or respect for her daughter while she was alive.  It is a little too late to start now.

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                                  Reply#16 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:40 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":4616019,"authorDomain":"b-mcmanness"}

                                  Anyone know George Anthony's middle name? I have found it begins with an A.

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                                    Reply#17 - Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:39 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4653884,"authorDomain":"dyralston"}

                                    Has anyone heard any real info about Caylee's father?

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                                    Reply#18 - Sat Jan 3, 2009 11:06 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4662925,"authorDomain":"sneila"}

                                    Interesting information on a sad story. Thank you for the information.

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                                    Reply#19 - Sun Jan 4, 2009 7:17 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":4696024,"authorDomain":"roover685"}

                                    Another informative article Mr. VZ! 

                                    I'm sure you're aware that it has been revealed the meter reader is a former bounty hunter.  I have no idea if this helps or hurts the situation for either side, but your question as to why he didn't just go and look in the bag himself is a good one. 

                                    What do you make of the alleged video shot by PI's working for the defense and the Anthonys?  I'm wondering why they were not out searching for a "live" Caylee as the Anthonys incessantly proclaimed.  Do you think the Anthonys already knew the truth about their grandchild?

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                                      Reply#20 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 1:47 AM EST
                                      {"commentId":4771890,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                      blackcat,

                                      As a former bounty hunter I would think that he would have moved on his own to see what was in the bag, especially faced with the lack of a police response.

                                      As far as the PI's, they must answer for themselves, but they may have wanted to document the local area should evidence or something such as human remains be eventually located in that area.  Even though they worked for the Anthony's, they may not have been blind to the probability that Casey was dead...

                                      Best,

                                      CVZ

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                                      #20.1 - Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:52 AM EST
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                                      {"commentId":5252170,"authorDomain":"arlene-mccarthy"}

                                      My personal opinion is that Casey murdered her two-year-old daughter Caylee on or about June 16, 2008 in a clearly evil, emotionally detached and deliberate manner. I further believe that Caylee's murder was premeditated to the extent that, subsequent to her internet research on chloroform and kidnapping in March 2008, Casey had given substantial thought to exactly how she would kill Caylee and the script she would follow to exonerate herself from having played any role in her murder. What she hadn't premeditated was the date on which she would implement her murder plan.

                                      I further believe that her implementation of her murder plan on June 16, 2008 was precipitated by the following factors: (1) her ever -increasing daily burden of finding a place to leave Caylee so she could go out partying with her friends, (2) her already developed murder plan and script, and (3) her visceral reaction to the extremely violent altercation which had erupted between she and her mother on the evening of June 15, 2008 .

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                                        Reply#21 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 7:15 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":5252269,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                        Stocirpa,

                                        As you know, many go along with your theory but find premeditation hard to believe, giving the young mother the benefit of the doubt, in their mind, by suggesting that although chloroform may have been used to insure that the victim "slept" all night when her mother went out, the cause of death may have been an accidental overdose of chloroform. After all, how could Casey, should this be true, know exactly how much of a dose to give the young child - and if she trusted the Internet, well, she would be one more person who was disappointed with the information provided on the net...

                                        \

                                        Best,

                                        CVZ

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                                        #21.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 7:23 PM EST
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                                        {"commentId":5403309,"authorDomain":"detaljodi"}

                                        What they SHOULD DO! IS run an AD in the Newspaper!

                                        ANYONE who Has Slept with Casey Marie Anthony

                                        Please Come in For A DNA Test.. See if they can Find out who the Father Is!.

                                        He was Probably Married! Or She Really has NO IDEA!

                                        She Murdered That Beautiful Little Girl.

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                                          Reply#22 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:17 PM EST
                                          {"commentId":5407283,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                          Jodi,

                                          This case makes you wonder if, in fact, the investigators already know the identity of the biological father and are holding this back for trial purposes. I truly believe that there will be justice for Caylee, but the cost is terrible all the way around...

                                          Best,

                                          CVZ

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                                            #22.1 - Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:15 PM EST
                                            {"commentId":5412065,"authorDomain":"beccascott9"}

                                            Thank God this child has a voice even in death. I believe Casey murdered this child not sure about the grand fathers part if any in this, but the grandmother well I believe she knew what was going to happened, helped, or knew after the fact. Anyway you look at it this woman needs to be punished just as Casey. I'm referring to the grandmother saying the car she got in to go somewhere smelled like "Something dead" was in the car to later come back and say " it was pizza she smelled". I don't see how you can confuse the two. When I was 10 yrs. old the apartment building my grandmother lived had an elderly man living there that died in his sleep and was not found for a week. My grandmother helped redo the apartment, and the smell just lingered one I will never forget. I could never get that smell and pizza confused believe me!!

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                                              #22.2 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:58 AM EST
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                                              {"commentId":5412483,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                              Misseleen2,

                                              While I don't think that Cindy, as a nurse, confused the smell of death with stale pizza, I do believe she confused a personal sense of guilt and remorse with the need for the truth.

                                              Best,

                                              CVZ

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                                                Reply#23 - Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:33 AM EST
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