Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Abortion Doctor gunned down while attending Church Services - shooter believed in alien abductions...

Murdered Dr. George Tiller

Suspected killer's car towed by arresting Deputy Sheriffs

Murder suspect Scott Roeder

Dr. George Tiller, age 67, a well known abortion advocate who has performed thousands of such procedures was shot to death Sunday morning (5/31/09) at Wichita, Kansas' Reformation Lutheran Church, where he served as an usher and his wife sang in the choir. Tiller's killer was described by multiple witnesses as a white male in his 50s or 60s, 6'1', 220 pounds. The killer shot Tiller once with a handgun and then fled the scene in a 1993 light blue Ford Taurus. Dr. Tiller was often accompanied by a bodyguard who was apparently not present when the doctor was shot, noting church members say it was not unusual for anti-abortion protesters to be outside of the church on Sunday mornings. The vehicle's license plate was registered to a person in Merriam, Kansas, about a three hour drive north/north east from the crime scene. Approximately four hours after the 10 AM shooting a suspect, described as a 51-year-old Scott Roeder, 6'2", 250 pounds, from the Kansas City suburb of Merriam, was arrested without incident by Johnson County deputies as he drove along I-35, apparently on a leisurely drive home after the murder. No weapon was found on him or in his vehicle at the time of his arrest. Investigation revealed he was basically indigent with $10 in his bank account.

Dr. Tiller has been providing abortions for 36 years and has been a lightning rod for pro life advocates. His Women's Health Care Services Clinic is one of the few such facilities remaining in the country where late-term abortions are still performed. Dr. Tiller has been called a "baby killer" and "America's Most Notorious Abortionist," by some, and was looked upon by others as a leader in providing women with the opportunity for late-term abortions. He and his clinic have been the focus of many pro life protests, and thousands of protesters have been arrested outside of his clinic over the years. He has also been the subject of a number of law suits and most recently was acquitted on charges that he had performed illegal abortions. During that trial Dr. Tiller testified that he had been under the protection of federal agents (US Marshals) on and off for a number of years, (last in 2001), this after his name was found on an anti-abortion assassination list. It was during Dr. Tiller's recent trial that he conceded that he performed abortions on mother's whose infants could have lived outside of their wombs. The legal challenge then faced by Dr. Tiller was the Kansas law allowing late-term abortions if two independent medical doctors agree that the mother's life was threatened by the pregnancy. The prosecution believed that Dr. Tiller had an ongoing financial relationship with the doctor who provided him with second opinions in such cases.

Dr. Tiller had received numerous threats to his life, his clinic was bombed in 1986, and he was shot in both arms at his clinic in 1993 by Rachelle Shannon, who remains in prison today. He was not the target of any recent, specific threat that is thought to be related to his murder. Many pro life groups have expressed shock and "denounced vigilantism and the cowardly act" that resulted in the murder of Dr. Tiller, indicating not only their concern for him and his family, but for those that will believe their movement, instead of "some crackpot extremist," was responsible for Dr. Tiller's death. This appears to be a lone act of domestic terrorism that will affect both the pro life and pro abortion movements, providing further cannon fodder for each side to fire at the other.

Many have begun to compare Dr. Tiller's believed killer, 51-year-old Scott Roeder, to anti-abortion lone wolf Michael Frederick Griffin. It was Griffin, who, at age 32, shot to death Dr. David Gunn, a Pensacola, Florida, abortion provided, outside of Dr. Gunn's clinic in March 1993. Griffin, who remained at the scene of the murder and did not attempt to flee, was the first anti-abortion activist convicted of killing an MD who provided abortion services. Then there was James Charles Koop. Koop used a sniper-like rifle in October 1998 to kill Dr. Barnett Slepian, a well known OBGYN who performed abortions at a women's clinic in Buffalo, NY, this as Dr. Slepian stood in his own kitchen. Koop, probably with assistance, fled NY to Mexico, then to Ireland, and finally to France where he was ultimately arrested by French police in March 2001. Koop was eventually extradited to the US where in 2003 he was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder. Koop's shooting of Dr. Slepian was also similar to shootings of abortion doctors in their homes in three different Canadian cities as well as in Rochester, NY.

Dr. Tiller's clinic had been severely vandalized a few weeks ago, causing thousands of dollars of damage to the facility. As a 1994 federal law (Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act) prohibits the use of force, threat of force or physical obstruction of abortion clinics, the FBI was advised of the actions of the unidentified vandals, and was also involved in the hunt for Dr. Tiller's killer. Dr. George Tiller leaves behind a wife, four children and 10 grandchildren. His killer, meanwhile, turnes out to be someone who believes in UFOs, alien abductions, "men in black" type of government conspiracies, and does not believe the federal government should tax you. Scott Roeder has been concerned with government conspiracy and abortion issues for years, and served a prison sentence for having bomb making components in his vehicle in 1996. He recently attended the trial of Dr. Tiller, and had apparently posted information on the Internet concerning the identity and location of the church that Dr. Tiller attended. One more "fringe of the fringe" extremist who went too far, probably due, in part, to Dr. Tiller's recent legal successes and the stance taken by the new administration on abortion. Little reason to take a human life, but for someone so apparently mentally challenged, it somehow seemed right to him.

A recent poll revealed that for the first time over 50% of Americans are pro life (or against abortion). After his election, President Obama repealed the ban on US funding of foreign family planning groups that offer abortion services and also sided against pro life activists who in turn were against certain aspects of stem cell research. With the murder of Dr. Tiller, many fear that the country will become even more polarized on the issue of abortion rights and that anyone pro life will be branded as an extremist as certain individuals and groups have been similarly branded by the Secretary of Homeland Security. This flies in the face of investigations by the US Department of Justice that found that the activities of individuals like Griffin and Koop were not connected to any known pro life group and that such extremists, like Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh and "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski, had acted either alone or with the assistance of a few who were not members of any group to which the suspect belonged. These results were similar to a study I participated in along with the US Marshal's Service in the mid 1990s as we looked at the threat to abortion clinics and providers associated with these clinics.

We are a nation of laws and when individuals take the law into their own hands, as the shooter of Dr. Tiller did, we have witnessed the act of an uncivilized man in an otherwise civilized nation. While the majority of America believes in the sanctity of human life, the end we saw today never justifies the means used by a few in their attempt force their belief on society. All the shooter's extreme actions have done is to take a life, punish Dr. Tiller's family and further polarize our nation.

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{"commentId":7396816,"authorDomain":"gliste"}

I'm shocked. What kind of Christians are these? And a mal again is playing judge over womem body. Men stay out of women issue. Killing in a Church and be pro life? Unbeliveble. To be pro life is Dictatorship. To be pro choice is demacrocy. Look to Germany how they are working with this issue. This is the best agreement ever.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
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This man is obviously not a true Christian. This is not a "woman's" issue. This is a life issue. Pro-life is not dictatorship, it is standing in for the right of the soon to be born child. No one seems to consider that the soon to be born child might be a female, what about her rights that everyone wants to protect? Pro-life is not meant to oppress women. Abortion is meant to oppress children.

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    #1.1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
    {"commentId":8110956,"authorDomain":"bekenna"}

    It's not your body that people are seeking to invade! It is not as you say a "Woman's issue" It is the life of the innocent living child they are protecting! You have no right to kill children!

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      #1.2 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":7398044,"authorDomain":"johnwesleyshipp"}

      dr. warren hearn (sp?)--friend and colleage of dr. tiller--interviewed over the phone on msnbc-tv about 20 minutes ago ROCKS THE HOUSE.

      MORE DR. WARREN HEARN (sp?)

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        Reply#2 - Mon Jun 1, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7410837,"authorDomain":"hartsallywally"}

        As a Christian I am offended by any violent loss of life. I do not justify or applaud this murder. Do not lump my pro-life stanse in with your attempt to call us terrorists. I ask Rachel Maddow to look in her heart and then examine the good doctor's work. As a Christian I prayed that this doctor's heart would be changed and that he would repent and stop his business. But I repeat, no one has the right to take away anyone's life at any stage. The man who did this was wrong, and yet we must pray for him as well. This is all very sad.

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          Reply#3 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
          {"commentId":7417653,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

          Annie,

          Your comments exemplify our national challenge in this area. What, in all that I have written, makes you think for one second that I am not supportive of the life of the unborn! Any loss of life is a shame, either, in this case, by gunfire or abortion. Please, as you say, do not lump my belief and my article in with those who would attempt to make political gain by the loss of any life and please re-read the article and suggest why you think my article sides with those who support abortion. I know this is a "with us or against us" topic, but far too many are ready to attack on this issue before hearing out the one they attack.

          Regards,

          CVZ

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            #3.1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
            {"commentId":7463294,"authorDomain":"hartsallywally"}

            I am sorry for esentially "yelling" at you! I had just watched some news coverage about the subject and was horrified by the coverage. The MSNBC screen had "terrorist" on the ticker as they talked about any anti-abortion group.We, like many protest groups of different issues attempt to change hearts through peaceful means. I am new to blogging and found your site and sounded off!!! I re-read you article. It is balanced and fair. However, my heart breaks over what Dr. Tiller chose as a profession. God bless.

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              #3.2 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
              {"commentId":7466115,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

              Annie,

              I'm sure you realize that television networks, including cable tv, all have some political agenda that is relatively easy to discern when you consider how they cover a story. Little things like the use of terms, e.g., "pro life, pro abortion, pro choice, anti abortion, pro women's rights, pro reproductive rights," etc., can many times suggest the perspective that a network, or a writer is taking in a story. The networks overflow with such examples.

              Best,

              CVZ

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                #3.3 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
                {"commentId":7521347,"authorDomain":"LouisaRigali"}

                Scott Roeder was "one more 'fringe of the fringe' extremist who went too far, probably due, in part, to Dr. Tiller's recent legal successes and the stance taken by the new administration on abortion. Little reason to take a human life, but for someone so apparently mentally challenged, it somehow seemed right to him." Perhaps he was influenced by the rhetoric of such television personalities as Bill O'Reilly, who have long characterized George Tiller as a "baby killer" and said he has "blood on his hands". While O'Reilly never outright called for Tiller's murder, he definitely incited hatred against the doctor in a way that could have been taken too far--that could have been interpreted as a call for murder--by such unstable individuals as Roeder. So, while Roeder was not explicitly tied to any pro-life group, he may have been influenced by the agenda of the right-wing media.

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                  #3.4 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":7412897,"authorDomain":"shewolf884"}
                  His killer, meanwhile, is someone who believes in UFOs, alien abductions, "men in black" type of government conspiracies. and does not believe the federal government should tax you. Roeder has been concerned with government conspiracy and abortion issues for years, and served a prison sentence for having bomb making components in his vehicle in 1996.

                  So should this get him cushy time in some rehab mental hospital or life in prison for murder?

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                    Reply#4 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":7417482,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                    Shewolf,

                    If proven guilty, I'd vote for live in prison without parole.

                    CVZ

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                      #4.1 - Tue Jun 2, 2009 3:08 PM EDT
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