Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Racial Supremacists are Alive and Well and Capable of Murder

Special Police Officer Stephen T. Johns, killed in the line of duty

U.S. Holocaust Museum, Washington, DC

Law Enforcement response to Holocaust Museum shootings

Alleged killer James W. von Brunn

For some racial supremacists, it is a highly visible symbol for everything they hate. The U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC, first opened its doors in 1993, providing millions with a terrible but true window to the past. New classes of FBI Agents are taken on a tour of the museum to show these fledgling G-men and women what can happen if a society turns lawless. While most reasonable people accept that over 6,000,000 Jews were exterminated by the Nazi's during WWII, there are some that attempt to rewrite history to reflect their own twisted views, to include that Jews are the ruination of society, they somehow deserved to be slaughtered by the millions, and that Hitler and his murderous minions were somehow justified in their actions, although many who subscribe to such a belief system reject the idea that Jews were actually victims of Nazi atrocities.

James W. von Brunn, age 89, was one of these twisted believers. He reportedly belonged to Mensa, the society for top scorers on intelligence tests, but was also a mentally challenged man whose dark mind had been filled with hatred and lies for decades. His former wife of 10 years reportedly described him as an abusive alcoholic whose hatred against blacks and Jews ate him up like a cancer. That emotional cancer once again metastasized for Brunn when he attempted to enter the Holocaust Museum on June 10th at about 1:00 PM, this while armed with a 10-round capable .22 rifle. In the believed killer's 2002 red Hyundai, investigators found additional rounds for the rifle and a handwritten note that indicated "you want my weapons - this is how you'll get them. The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews."

For von Brunn, the museum must have been both a symbol and a target rich environment, one filled, for his purposes, with potential victims of opportunity. He immediately saw and shot to death an armed security guard; subsequently identified as Special Police Officer Stephen T. Johns, age 39, a six-year veteran of that security force. Von Brunn double parked his vehicle (ironically with a handicapped tag) in front of the museum and walked to the door where Officer Johns, seening the approach of an elderly man, simply tried to open the door for von Brunn, at which time he was shot to death. Two other guards returned von Brunn's fire, striking him one or more times at the scene, this as hundreds of museum visitors scrambled to get out of the way of the bullets flying in the area. Von Brunn was transported to a local hospital in critical condition and will be charged with multiple violations, to include murder.

Von Brunn spent six and one-half years in federal prison in the 1980's, this, when, at age 61, he was caught on December 7, 1981, while trying to enter a Federal Reserve Board meeting carrying a bag full of weapons, to include a hand gun, a sawed off shotgun and a knife. On that occasion he also was confronted by a security guard who found the weapons and arrested him. He would later blame the blacks on his jury and the Jews involved in the criminal justice system for his conviction. While he said he only wanted to make a citizen's arrest of the board, (and perhaps kidnap Alan Greenspan), the hate continued to grow in the man who once told his ex-wife that he would die with his boots on. She said he wasn't simply going to die of old age and that he would eventually go out in his own way and take some people with him.

The same man who ranted and raged against blacks and Jews on his web site apparently once again put his twisted thoughts and words into action, in this case what may prove to be an act of "suicide by cop." I once dealt with a man who did something similar, in that case rob a bank and force us to shoot him. He, perhaps like von Brunn, wanted to go out his own way and wanted police to kill him. He, also like von Brunn, got his own way as in his case we killed him after he shot a female bank teller to death. I later found his personal diary. One entry dated 13 months prior to his death indicated he was "going to enter a neighborhood bank and make the police kill him." He got his way, and it only took him 13 months to carry it out.

When von Brunn wrote about his life on his web site, he discussed certain "character shapers" that he said made him the man he was. Things like life on the Mississippi River (perhaps like Mark Twain's 'Tom Sawyer'), his alleged service on a PT boat in WWII (perhaps like JFK) but in von Brunn's case he would later say he served on the wrong side, this while bragging about his various run-in's with the law over the years. The man who said Hitler's worst mistake was not gassing the Jews, therefore continuing his denial of the gas chambers in the concentration camps of WWII, would now have his way. His personal accounts on his Internet entries tend to blame blacks and Jews for his problems in life and rambled on that America would eventually be governed by blacks with the Jews controlling the media; calamities that he obviously believed had come to fruition. His family had reportedly "disowned" him years ago because of his racial hatred, with most family members believing him to be mentally ill. His book, self-described on his web site as "a new hard-hitting expose of the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene pool," one he entitled "Kill the Best Gentiles," fortunately, was a book without a publisher.

While the vast majority of Americans see the various hate groups in this country as the fringe of the fringe, i.e., budding sociopaths or simple losers who seek their identity through the hatred of others, there are those in law enforcement who know that the combination of hatred, frustration and weapons can easily spell murder. As an FBI hostage negotiator in 1985, we dealt with The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), a right-wing, neo-nazi, religiously oriented survivalist hate group, this after engaging in a limited siege of their rural Arkansas compound. We had surrounded their multi-acre "home" and negotiated with the leaders of the group of 85 heavily armed men, women and children for almost five days before obtaining their non-violent surrender. Upon entering their compound, in addition to firearms and explosives, we found barrels of liquid cyanide that one member of the group told me they had considered introducing into the Chicago drinking water system to kill blacks. For him the loss of the members of other racial groups who drank the same poisoned water, like those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, would have been simply collateral damage. Hate, as we have seen far too many times, knows no boundries or limits. Members of this group, like von Brunn, believed their common enemy was "ZOG" the Zionist Occupational Government they thought secretly ran America.

Law enforcement has identified almost 1,000 hate groups in and around the U.S., to include both blacks and whites as well as others. The election of Barrack Obama, the nation's first black president, (who Brunn did not believe was a U.S. citizen), and the ongoing immigration issues in this country have done much to galvanize the hate groups and provide them with identifiable targets on which to focus their hatred. Brown skin, black skin and white skinned people alike are targets of hate and violence by other racial groups. Many of these groups have advocated the purchase and stockpiling of weapons, fearing that the current administration will enact new laws to restrict their ability to purchase guns and "defend themselves" against so called racial hordes. With the loss of millions of jobs across the country, many are looking for someone to blame, and people who look different become easy targets.

In a report released in April of 2009, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security attempted to warn law enforcement about a rise in rightwing extremist activity, indicating the the election of President Obama, and returning military war veterans who are disgruntled about the war in the Middle East, could add to the ranks of racially oriented hate groups. Making reference to individuals who allegedly plotted to attack then presidential candidate Obama, the report further adds that since November 2008, over 7 million people have applied to buy guns, while only 203 U.S. military veterans were known to have joined active hate groups. Again, one need only think of Timothy McVeigh to see what one man with military training and and an all-consuming personal vendetta can do. It is the McVeigh type of "lone wolf" extremist that worries many in law enforcement as it is virtually impossible to detect them or their plans before they take action. A recent example of such a person is Abdulhakim Muhammad, the alleged Muslim convert charged with fatally shooting an American soldier at a military recruiting center last week. He said that he doesn't consider the killing a murder because U.S. military action in the Middle East made the killing justified. For some, if you want to kill it is not hard to find a reason, or a victim.

No one just snaps though. There are always signs, preincident indicators that are missed, disregarded, or simply ignored. In von Brunn's case, after 89 years, some will say, "who could have known?" One news report suggests that a friend noticed a change in his tone, with von Brunn indicating that his Social Security check had been stopped, probably, he thought, by someone in the government who was against his racial writings. He was now living hand to mouth. In my past study of "suicide by cop," I identified other signs or indicators that were also present in von Brunn. These included depression, giving away personal possessions to include his computer (his link to the outside world of similar believers), the more violent tone of his messages ("It's time to kill all the Jews"), and one of his last Internet postings, telling his readers that they should not expect to hear from him again. Who could have known...

For those who subscribe to a belief system like von Brunn's, they may believe themselves backed into a corner and, in some cases, they come out shooting. Though their numbers are relatively small, the twisted view of history that some preach, and the blame that they place on others can see their fractured ideas turned into action, and the targets of their anger and frustration turned into targets for their rifles and bombs. This as their numbers appear to be growing.

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{"commentId":7574569,"authorDomain":"givinglove2you"}

What I find really sad is how many people believe the entire impetus for Hitlers rise was hatred of the Jews. What a pathetic education system we have in this country where the complex history of WWI and the political vacuum left behind in Germany as well as the sadistic way Germans were treated following the Treaty of Versailles, leaving citizens literally starving to death as the French sent in troops to war reparations, this during the Great Depression. The country vacillated between Communism and Fascism, neither solutions would have been in the best interest of the whole of Europe. German Jew Communists wanted to ally with Stalin who had his sights on the rest of Europe. Imagine the German scientists who gave us the atomic bomb and the rocket that put the first man on the moon, allied with the massive military strength of Russia hell bent on control of the weakened European continent and a (as it was until Pearl Harbor) isolationist America. This would have been a much different world today had Hitler not taken power. Germany had many enemies and resentment towards many countries. The Jews were simply one of many whom Germany had animosity. Volumes have been written on this subject, however most people find it easier to digest the WWII for Dummies version rather than take the time to really understand world politics at the turn of the century and the reason why after Americans returned from WWI, and saw the mess created afterwards, they cried Never Again! In 1940, FDR pledged "I say to you fathers and mothers, and I will say it again and again and again, your boys will not be sent into foreign wars."

What does this have to do with the article? Simply this, racial tension and hatred have been a part of the humans existence throughout all recorded history. To simply believe it can be eradicated by “education” is naive. But drawing a comparison between the radical views of a few Americans to the political morass of 1920-1930's Germany is ignorance on parade.

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Reply#1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:38 AM EDT
{"commentId":7575135,"authorDomain":"sedavis"}

Remember how everyone complained about the show "Why we fight" that was shown on the history channel a couple of years back? All Nazis all day!-was the saying

Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it!!

It is also sad to see that those who are least likely to be affected by these racist groups were the ones who seemed to complain about these Nazi education programs the most!

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#1.1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":7576553,"authorDomain":"timmah"}

So, a brief run-down of a summary of some of the events happening between the 1910s and 1940s leads to a conclusionary statement remarking on "all recorded history." Ignorance parades, apparently, are not uncommon.

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    #1.2 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:52 AM EDT
    {"commentId":7578858,"authorDomain":"GD78"}

    Sorry OB teacher. Your ignorance is the only thing on parade here. It almost sounds like you are saying Hitler taking power was actually a good thing for the world? I hope you never have the opportunity to teach my kids your brand of revisionist history.

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      #1.3 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
      {"commentId":7581960,"authorDomain":"givinglove2you"}

      Once our minds have settled onto a paradigm, we fight against the cognitive dissonance created when it's challenged. That is normal and healthy, however upon reflection and a willingness to grow and learn as well as to not be emotionally invested in our opinion can transformation occur. Many beliefs I held dear were passed to me by loving parents and a nurturing society, all with the best of intentions, however as I grew into adulthood, those beliefs were challenged, and I was confronted with the choice between holding onto sentimental truisms, or bringing “new eyes” to my world. It's always easiest and safest to go with the conventional wisdom when discussing emotionally charged subjects like Nazi Germany and racism, but by digging a little deeper we may learn far more.

      Addressing TIMMAH: Do, you dispute my statement that “racial tension and hatred have been a part of the humans existence throughout all recorded history”? I believe any fair reading of history will bear out my point. The point I was making was Europe in the first half of the 20th century was far more complex and nuanced than many have been lead to believe, and to try and draw parallels between the United States today and 1920-1940's Germany is a non sequitur.

      Addressing GD-1145984: There is no revision of history in my statement. Germany was a powder keg waiting to explode on the world stage. Following the colossal failures of the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles, It's people were both horribly repressed and demoralized yet possessed vast resources, both physical and intellectual. As they rose to take their vengeance, it's realization was destined to be horrible regardless if they led by Hitler or Stalin. Post WWI Americans recognized this and seeing the coming whirlwind, wanted no part in it.

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        #1.4 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7592387,"authorDomain":"S-Bast"}

        I do want to challenge your statement about "racial tensions" as a world inheritance.

        I will give to you, that hatred is a common human emotion, a reaction to experienced or perceived hostility by others, often a by-product of delimitation processes in group formations, or simple rivalvry inside of groups. So, it can be easily assumed, that not only during recorded history, but throughout mankinds existence, there could at any times be found some people experiencing that emotion and acting upon it.

        Your conclusion on the other hand, that the thought, that education could influence this, be naive, doesn't follow logically from this. The amount of violence accepted and used by a given society is largely influenced by cultural and political traits, and throughout history can as well be found long periods of peaceful coexistence between different groups.

        And, for most of history, your generalizations of all kind of tensions as "racial" is simply crude. The concept of race is a very uniquely modern invention. Pre 19th century you might talk about tribal, dynastical, feudal, social, economical, religious and from 18th century onwards nationalistic tensions, but the dividing lines in this conflicts could not have been among racial ideas, as those had not even been formulated by then. If you really want to dig for more "rational" souces for Hitlers pangermanic mania, you will find them in Houston Stewart Chamberlains vain attempt to use "hip" bio-sciences in his pamphlet "the foundations of 19th ct" to justify the massive slaughter of african tribes in the wake of Africas colonization, mixed with really esoteric stuff from ariosophic writers like Blavatsky or List.

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          #1.5 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:31 PM EDT
          {"commentId":7608408,"authorDomain":"givinglove2you"}

          Bast: Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was using the word “racial” colloquially, not by it's rigorous definition. I agree, the word “racial” holds many negative connotations and has been discredited by mapping the human genome years ago. It can be a useful parallel however describing “the other”. Our ego's are forever working to strengthen themselves through identification with form. We identify those who we perceive as similar to us and ascribe to them virtues we believe therefore transfer to our us. It may be other humans who have the same color of skin or those who we believe are of the same or higher social strata. This is inherently dangerous, as forms come and go, yet we remain. Where all this breaks down is when our perception of ourselves is so tightly connected to form that we say things like “I can't live with myself”. This is common with those suffering with addictions as they watch their “addictive self” destroy all that the “true self” holds near and dear. In it's most tragic consequence the “true self” commits homicide against the “addicted self” in the form of suicide.

          This is why I believe America's approach to “education” is not the answer. It simply addresses the symptoms rather than the cause. Only through enlightenment can one break the link between the mind and the spirit allowing forms to come and go, enjoy them as we experience them, yet feel no loss loss when they leave. The Buddha taught all human suffering arises from desire. Either trying to hold onto things or push things away instead of remaining in a state of non-resistance to what is. Only in that state can we live together as one, allowing others to be, without needing to either possess or demonize them.

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            #1.6 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":7575104,"authorDomain":"sedavis"}

            I wish the Bush administration would have declared war on these terror organizations in the same way he did against Arab people and those who disagreed with him!

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            Reply#2 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT
            {"commentId":7576474,"authorDomain":"jenningsb9"}

            You must have been living in a vacuum the last few years. The Muslims, or "Arab people" as you call them attacked the US. Remember the US Cole? The embassies in Africa? How about the events of September 11, 2001? Why Didn't Bill Clinton do more about homegrown terror organizations? Remember the poor handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco under his watch? Pull your head out of the sand, stop bashing past administrations, and be happy for the next four years that your boy Obama won the election.

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              #2.1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:39 AM EDT
              {"commentId":7577022,"authorDomain":"greenie-x"}

              There is evidence that the terrorists did not act alone in these terrible crimes! I agree with Susan that these types of terror organizations (AKA white supremacist groups, and other hate groups of any color, which do encourage hatred and violence, which IS a form of terror) should have been examined on a closer level by the Bush administration, and any other presidential administration that has the power to do so. And yes, it is OK to bring up the errors of past presidencies if those errors caused problems that could have otherwise have been avoided, no matter the party! It sounds like HuskerBill is prejudiced in his own right. While it's fine to disagree with someone else, or to not like certain actions that some individual or organization does that one feels are wrong, by being prejudiced and not taking a look at the larger picture, which is NOT keeping one's head in the sand, (which the supremacists seem to be doing more of the head burying than those who would like to see past differences and get along with those of other nationalities, religions and other differences, which if we tried to understand each other, not hurt or hate others for reasons that are illogical), then maybe this world would go a little smoother, and people would be happier! It's OK to even be angry at someone, but to hate them because they are not in an exclusive group has gone too far!!!

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                #2.2 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:03 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":7576580,"authorDomain":"davis-lewis"}

                When will the world come to grips with it self, that we are all on this planet together. Haven't we learned anything from our past world history. Civilizations have come & gone, because of this very same attitude. This Holier than thou attitude just doesn't cut the mustard. There is a power greater than all things here & above that rules all things. That power is always been here & also rules elsewere. As long as there are resentments, & resentments fuel dislike, hatred, suppression, oppression on a local level, as well as National & International level. Man basically has not learned any lessons from it's past history. We don't need any more weapons of mass distruction here or anywere else in the world. All it takes is 1 push of the button & we are all out of here.

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                Reply#3 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:58 AM EDT
                {"commentId":7577016,"authorDomain":"Emmanh"}

                To "The OB Teacher", very good post.

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                  Reply#4 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:03 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":7578026,"authorDomain":"curious-1"}

                  if i've said it once, i've said it a million times-all violence in the world would end if people just got laid frequently. it's very difficult to hate when your body is flooded with endorphins. i don't have the resources to prove my theory, but i doubt very much you'll ever see hugh hefner leading a white supremacist march. it always seems to be loners who go on these wild hate filled rampages.

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                  Reply#5 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:29 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":7579932,"authorDomain":"PappDave"}

                  I'd say this was most likely "suicide by cop". A 22 calibre rifle would not be the weapon of choice to cause a lot of mayhem and death. A rifle is unwieldy in close range situations.

                  He had to, at least, shoot one guard in order to draw fire onto himself. Just brandishing a weapon would have only led to a standoff.

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                  Reply#6 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":7592798,"authorDomain":"S-Bast"}

                  I think, the fact, that it was a black guard, triggering his life-long xenophobic hatred, will have been important, too.

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                  #6.1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
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                  {"commentId":7580263,"authorDomain":"alliederosion"}

                  I agree with you OB, You know History.

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                    Reply#7 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":7583071,"authorDomain":"mentuhotep2"}

                    I'snt it bizarre that conservatives who hate Europe so much glorify a piece of trash like Hitler who supposedly had a half-Jewish grandmother yet he hated the Hebrew people violently?

                    Socialized medicine,paid vacations, sick & maternity leave these morons rant that it's too costly yet they admire the British Nationalist party and other neo-nazi scum from Europe!

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                      Reply#8 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":7583216,"authorDomain":"jscott2"}

                      People are people and you cant ignore natural tendencies. There is no personal evolution of the human mind therefore true education has to be a must. Not propaganda or political positioning lessons but actual education on this country, how it was formed, societal concerns and responsibility. No matter where you go there is jealousy, pride, glutinous behavior that leads toward this type of behavior with certain people. Having said that, we must fight to maintain a free society with laws deeply routed in freedom and free speech the rights of the individual. To do anything else would be to deprive us of our rights to think and act freely which would lead us to the demise of our great country. The concern for individual freedom will always be lost when focus is on the “outcome of a group” whether it be a political party or a race or sect. This station itself too often generalizes "hate" speech and that is a real threat. If we cannot speak freely and open discussion as we see fit we are not free. This guy was not right wing or left wing; he was a guy that was wrong and miserable with him-self. There does not need to be more gun laws or controls. If you want more of a certain type of behavior then try more closely regulating it, its an oxymoronic truth. Give people outlets for there opinions and they don’t fester up and explode. This and other such behaviors are, in my opinion, an example of a society starving for representation. Almost every major media outlet today has stopped reporting facts and has turned to propagandizing the current popular political agenda. We see a bias toward the right and an affection forming toward the left with a populist-like bent. We cannot be all to everyone unless we embrace the individual’s rights and freedoms. This should not be a left or right opinion but a naturally observed approach from both sides. Alas I fear this country will see more of this behavior because our current administration is one that endears itself to regulation and holds fast to every chance to pursue it. If this country does not turn to the truths of the founding fathers we are in trouble. This is not right- wingish but just plane truth. If you factor in the fact that people can be wrong for the right reasons then you see that the founders did a near-perfect job at setting this country up for success. Should they have abolished slavery; yes of course they should have. But the fact they did not does not make there foundational precepts incorrect. The media should be reporting facts only; no interpretation or political posturing and let the people exercise their right to decide what is going on. Will this keep people from being suspicious or from feeling threatened? NO it will not but they will have the freedom to form their opinions on their own and most people can deal with that. People have never dealt well with being lead to believe anything whether they be chained or tied to growing regulations and taxation.

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                        Reply#9 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:25 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":7583883,"authorDomain":"bandaid1950-1"}

                        Yes Thaddeus Noble, I still love your song, so appropriate and so finely written:

                        Course:

                        "It's the Holohoax, it's the Holohoax"

                        "Better known as the Jewish international joke"

                        "It's the Holohoax, it's the Holohoax"

                        "Trying to scam those hard earned dollars off of those gullible Gentile folks"

                        Verse 1:

                        "We all know the Zionist swine, and how they love to bleat and whine"

                        "And blubber about their holohoax all the time"

                        "They roll up their sleeves, showing the numbers and the signs"

                        "While the tattoo artists in Brooklyn are working overtime"

                        (Additional verses)

                        Yes Thad, you are right on the mark !!!

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                          Reply#10 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":7587718,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

                          As is so often the case with racists-- he was also a believer is conspiracies-- that a small elite group is controlling the world (first get people to believe there's a group controlling them...then get people to believe these people are Jews..or some other minoirity): "Holocaust Shooter" was a big conspiracy theorist-- hated Bush, "Trilateralists', "Bilderberger Group"

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                          Reply#11 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":7591173,"authorDomain":"pmichael1980"}

                          One. Jews were not the only ones to die in world war two or any sort of concentration camp. Two. Why not investigating the Holocaust in Europe? Evidence not good enough?

                          Three. The federal reserve pulls the strings on the economy, look them up in a phone book, they are not by any govt offices. Who owns them? Good luck finding that out. They rigged the depression to put small banks out of business who did not want to go along with them, while sending money to Germany and other countries as we starved in the US.

                          Four. Why no museums for blacks, Irish Christians slaughtered in the Soviet Union and China under communist rule?

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                            Reply#12 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:19 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":7593217,"authorDomain":"S-Bast"}

                            One: Thats correct, but how is this of concern here? Jews were the majority of those who were killed, and it was the Wannsee-conference about "the final solution of the jewish question" that instituted the system of concentration camps.

                            Two: Who especially do you blame to not investigate the holocaust in Europe? There are lots of distinguished groups worldwide, doing just that. And what evidence is not good enough for what? I asked my grandpa and wrote biographies for a lot of patients in the geriatric home I worked in. Holocaust happened, and it was better known among the german public, than it was ever admitted after 1945.

                            Three: The federal reserve is owned by regional private banks throughout America and is directed by the Reserve Bank Presidents and the Board of Governors

                            Four: There should be such museums, too, and I believe there are such museums in America. The Holocaust Museum is off course of special importance to the USA, as Europes liberation from Nazirule is a strong part of her morale foundation as a superpower

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                            #12.1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:28 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":7595404,"authorDomain":"wmgodwin"}

                            Good posts, OB. Whether or not I agree or not is immaterial. You've done your homework and know your history. That is more than I can say for the ranting naysayers. You mention Germany's animosity toward France for the frogs' behavior after WWI. It was definitely a sore spot. When France capitulated in WWII. Hitler made them dig out the railway car in which the WWI armistace was signed in to sign their WWII surrender.

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