Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Update: Jaycee Lee Dugard; Stockholm Syndrome or Just Staying Alive...

Jaycee Lee Dugard, age 11

Phillip and Nancy Garrido

Jaycee Dugard's backyard prison

Garrido in his 1976 arrest photo.

On June 10, 1991, then eleven-year-old Jaycee Lee Dugard was kidnapped as she waited for the arrival of her school bus, this a mere 150 yards from her home. She was rescued this week due, in part, to a sharp-eyed University of California (Berkley) Police Officer who went the extra mile in an otherwise routine interview. Dugard was allegedly abducted by convicted sex offender Phillip Garrido and his wife Nancy, who pulled Dugard into their car that sunny June day and kept their victim, and the eventual two children fathered by Garrido with young Dugard, in a secret garden prison consisting of tents, sheds and other outbuildings in the rear yard of the Garrido residence.

In this case Garrido and his two offspring by Dugard, girls ages 11 and 15 named Angel and Starlite, were trying get permission to hold a meeting and pass out Garrido's religious pamphlets on the college campus. A university police officer who sat in on a meeting with Garrido attempted to speak to the two children, but they conspicuously avoided eye contact with officer. "They had this weird look in their eyes," said the female officer, "like brainwashed zombies." Her suspicions now aroused, a records check on Garrido quickly revealed he was one of 675,000 registered sex offenders in America, noting there are only 685,000 total local, county and state police officers in the U.S. Garrido is alleged to have drugged and raped a 14-year-old girl in 1972 when he was 21 (he was arrested but the victim refused to testify so he was set free) and he kidnapped and raped a woman in 1976. At that time he boldly indicating to investigators at that time his preference for "violent sex." He had assaulted this woman in a building he said he had set up as his "sex palace," this while blaming his 25-year-old victim for his attack on her because she was "just too attractive." Garrido served 11 years of a 50-year sentence for his crime and was released on lifetime parole. It was less than three years after his release, and while wearing a GPS ankle bracelet he continued to wear until his recent arrest, that he kidnapped Dugard.

A call by the police officer to Garrido's parole officer revealed he had no known children and the next day he and his "extended family" were interviewed by authorities. This is where the true identity of Dugard and her two daughters was finally determined. Almost two decades later Dugard was finally placed in touch with her biological mother and step father, two people who never lost hope in her eventual return. But why, some have begun to ask, didn't Dugard try to escape and thereby rescue herself from her captors? As we will find out, it was the system that failed Dugard and not her inability to shake the heavy emotional chains that held her in this man made hell in which she was the ultimate victim, one so intimidating that she never told her children that she had been a victim of her captors since age eleven.

Elizabeth Smart was held nine months by her captive before being identified and even then she was initially reluctant to admit her true identity. Elisabeth Fritzl was held in an underground bunker by her biological father, giving birth to seven children by him before she was finally rescued, this after 24 years of captivity, and Shawn Hornbeck was just eleven when kidnapped in 2002. Hornbeck was rescued four years later when his abductor was identified after kidnapping yet another young boy. Shawn had lived in relative safety and security with his captor, apparently never trying to escape the emotional bonds that held him to his kidnapper. In fact, there are 115 stranger abduction, stereotypical child kidnappings every year in the U.S. But why, we still hear, didn't Shawn Hornbeck, or Patricia Hearst, or Jaycee Dugard or other similar kidnap victims attempt to escape their captors? This is even more shocking in Dugard's case when we hear that Garrido was inprisoned for a parole violation from April - August 1993, this some two years after kidnapping Dugan. Authorities have yet to reveal if Dugard was even aware that the monster holding her was missing during this time, someone for whom, her stepfather says, "she had developed strong feelings for, almost like a marriage."

The Stockholm Syndrome

In August 1973, a heavily-armed robber by the name of Olafson swaggered into a busy bank in downtown Stockholm, Sweden. Firing shots as he entered, he took three women and a man hostage, strapped dynamite to their bodies, and herded them into a subterranean bank vault where he refused police demands for his surrender and the release of his hostages for the next six days.

After the eventual arrest of the robbers (a friend of the bank robber who was in prison at the time had been brought mid-standoff to the bank at the demand of Olafson) and the rescue of the four victims, the continued friendly and caring attitude on the part of some of the hostages toward their captors was viewed with suspicion. This was especially so when the police considered that the captives were abused, threatened, and had allegedly feared for their lives during the week they had been held against their will. Authorities were even more amazed when they found out that one or more of the female hostages may have had consensual physical intimacy with their captors.

The relationship between the robbers and their former captives thereafter saw former hostage Kristin break off her engagement to another man in order to become engaged to Olafson; while another former hostage started a defense fund to pay for the robbers' legal defense.

The relationship that can develop between hostages and kidnap victims and their captors is now known as "the Stockholm Syndrome," a type of emotional bonding that is in reality a survival strategy for victims of emotional and physical abuse— including not only hostages, but also battered spouses and partners, abused children, and even POWs.

The bond that exists between the captor/abuser and his or her victim is strong and can compel the victim to stay with (or otherwise support the actions of the abuser) when the need to run is blatantly obvious to everyone but the victim. The investment that one has made in the relationship directly impacts the ability to recognize the negative or threatening aspects of the association. This also affects the ability to either correct or flee.

A kidnap victim is told that if she tries to escape, she'll be killed. Wolfgang Priklopil, the Austrian kidnapper of then 10-year-old Natascha Kampusch, told his victim that he slept with grenades under his pillow and that the house in which she was held was wired with explosives, suggesting she would die if she tried to escape. Eight years later Kampusch finally jumped from a car in which she was traveling with her kidnapper and escaped. He later committed suicide by jumping in front of a train after which Kampusch blamed herself and the police for her captors death. Other victims are told that their family members and even their pets will be killed if they try to escape or that their "former" family had secretly arranged for their kidnapping or had otherwise moved on without a care in the world for the victim. For many kidnap victims, the need to survive may eventually develop into some type of dependency bond with their captor and their learned helplessness may eventually evolve into a type of misplaced love that could somehow be reciprocated by the kidnapper.

The bottom line is that staying alive can allow us to adopt to the worst of situations, something, perhaps, similar to abused children or women who are victims of domestic violence but do not try to leave or "escape" their abuser. The challenge for victims such as Jaycee Lee Dugard is to understand they did what they had to do to survive and that they have nothing to be ashamed of. This will take time and care and while some wounds never heal, time can help. In the case of Jaycee and her two daughters, none of whom attended school or saw a doctor or dentist or had any friends during their captivity, life and their position in the world outside of the backyard tents and sheds they lived in for most or all of their lives, this behind an eight foot wooded privacy fence, will be a lengthy learning experience that will take years for them to process. And for the two monsters that are responsible for this travesty; their day in court will eventually come. The challenge, though, is just like the kidnappers of Elizabeth Smart, the Garrido's may never be trialed for their crimes due to some type of mental illness defense (in the case of Phillip - psychotic, hears voices in his head, delusional) that their legal representatives are sure to put forth.

As for me, this is just one more reason for a one-strike law for sexual predators that would prevent known violent sexual predators like Garrido from reoffending in such terrible ways. In the meantime, investigators continue to look into Garrido's background knowing there is a distinct likelihood that other victims have yet to be identified, to include at least 10 girls and women who were believed to have been victims of a serial killer operating in this area in 1998-1999.

UPDATE: Authorities have indicated that the bone fragment found in a neighborhood yard that Phillip Garrido had access to is human. While he remains a viable suspect in the disappearance and death of a number of local prostitutes and in the disappearance of at least two local girls, the small bone, in and of itself, does not make Garrido a killer. The residential area where Garrido, his wife, Jaycee Dugard and her two children once lived was thought be in proximity to a native American burial ground. DNA tests will be conducted on the bone in an attempt to determine the racial makeup of the deceased and, if possible, an approximate age for the bone.

Meanwhile about 20 songs written and recorded by Phillip Garrido on CDs have surfaced in possession of a man Garrido gave them to about three years ago. Garrido had indicated that the songs were written by him when he was serving time for a 1976 kidnap/rape. Some who have heard the songs have indicated their belief that many refer to children in a provocative, sexual manner.

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{"commentId":9120789,"authorDomain":"victormon24"}

This disgusting story demonstrates that the police department and parole officers are ineffectual and incompetent. Someone in the Contra County police department, should be dismissed or punished for failing to rescue this helpless little girl from the horrible nightmare and frightening experiences she had to live thru! They failed miserably to" protect and serve."

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    Reply#1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
    {"commentId":9134820,"authorDomain":"dennis41551"}

    Police and Social Workers make hundreds of judgements and decisios thoughout their career, the vast majority of which are going to be correct. They are often caught between two strong competing forces. The first to protect the civil libirties and privacy of those they serve, and the second to protect those they serve from physical/emotional harm. There is no way they can be right 100% of the time. We, those they serve, are obligated to see there are laws, policies, procedures, equipment, training and supervison to help them in performing these duties. In the end, the imperfect world we live in is going to see such tradgadies. We can strive for perfection, but there will be events such as this.

    It saddens me to think that we have become a culture of fear where our kids can no longer go out to play or wait alone for the school bus. We live in a relatively safe world, as safe as in my youth. There were abductions and predators back then, but Mom could say, "go out and play and when the street lights come on come home for dinner". Perhaps ignorance was bliss, but I am concerned that our youth today are being denied many of the pleasures I so enjoyed, like a pick-up game of baseball with no parents just ourselves. Dennis in Toms River, NJ

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      #1.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":9122761,"authorDomain":"cr1776"}

      People like that should be hunted down like animals by parole officers when they don't show up to sign up for sexual offender status appointments. They are out there in the community. Where are the safeguards from police and parole boards??

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      Reply#2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":9124085,"authorDomain":"marshallfamdestin-yahoo-com"}

      I can never imagine the pain that this young woman has gone through. She is not to blame for her situation or should never feel guilty aout bonding with this animal. He is an evil that will eventually be judged one day. Jaycee was and is an INNOCENT!! Jaycee remain strong as you have been the past 18 years! You are a remarkable young lady! I would love to email you and let you know how much I admire you. My son is 28 and mydaughter is 21 and I can't imagine what you have been through. Stay Strong!!!!

      Donna

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      Reply#3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
      {"commentId":9138737,"authorDomain":"mymsnhome"}

      Hear, hear! Let's hear more of this kind of message, and definitely much less blaming of the victim!

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      #3.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":9125396,"authorDomain":"roover685"}

      While these stories seem absolutely remarkable and shocking, I am starting to wonder if they are more common than we realize. How many other kidnap victims have lived such horror and never been discovered? Is it possible?

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      Reply#4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:16 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":9128312,"authorDomain":"thomas-schroeder"}

      I am just so conflicted over this story.  So happy that Jaycee was found alive, and so heartwrenched over what she (and ultimately her daughters) had to endure. Her life basically ended at 11 years of age, and to see the postings of "why didn't she escape" or "I would've run"...  These people just don't understand. She was ELEVEN YEARS OLD, and, from what I've read, still IS emotionally.

      Think about when you were 11. What did any of us know about the real world, or how to respond to something so unfathomable? I feel joy for her freedom, in the true meaning of the word, but mourn for what she has lost: Being a normal teenager, going on the first date, the prom, learning in high school, finding out who she is and what she wants to be, to dream about those things; she is stuck in the 5th grade and probably still is emotionally and developmentally!

      For HER children (not that monster's; HERS, and I hope to GOD they ultimately carry HER last name), their ordeal may be even worse. They NEVER got to experience life "before".  Never been to school, never to see friends; even the CONCEPT of friends must be foreign to them.  They may not even know what the word or even concept of the emotion "happy" means, or how to add, or how to read. Can you imagine being 11, or 15, and not even grasping what the meaning of right or wrong is?!?  Having NEVER watched a Saturday morning cartoon, or had friends over?  Even to read a book!?!

        It is just heartbreaking. As for the monsters that did this? Well, I know a lot of people have talked about exacting revenge, and I would love nothing more than to see these two among the general prison population where things like this take care of themselves, but, really, there will never be justice for these three girls (and I include a 29 year old among the term girls, since she is frozen in time there).

        Ultimately, one of them will be haunted by what happened, and the other two will wonder what happened to the only world they ever knew. It is incredibly sad... All I can ultimately hope is that the three of them are taken care of, as they will never be "normal", and that the monsters ultimately meet the Maker they were so fond of, where ultimate justice will finally be carried out...

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      Reply#5 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:31 AM EDT
      {"commentId":9129544,"authorDomain":"cliffvanzandt"}

      This Breaking AND Heartbreaking story is the best argument FOR the death penalty I have seen in years. Opponets of the death penalty say that it is cruel and unusual punishment, but what would you call what these MONSTERS have put JayCee thru? These monsters should be put in a room full of kidnap victims relatives and the door locked until it gets quiet again!

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      Reply#6 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:30 AM EDT
      {"commentId":9138769,"authorDomain":"mymsnhome"}

      I think the death penalty is much too fast and easy for these criminals. Send them to a real prison, not a protected unit, and let the other inmates take care of them.

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      #6.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:26 PM EDT
      {"commentId":9155305,"authorDomain":"i4aneye"}

      It's more than a little ironic - but when our so-called Justice System fails to protect us - and in fact releases these sub-human predators from jail to slither back into society and victimize again and again - our only recourse is Prison Justice. Let the criminal be judged by his peers and see what form of punishment he rightfully receives.

      This guy is worse than garbage. He has been allowed to spew toxic waste upon society with impunity, EVEN after brutally raping a woman in 1976.

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        #6.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:36 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":9129976,"authorDomain":"persuaded"}

        For me, this story highlights the responsibility we all have to be watchful of those around us. To notice things that may seem "off" and follow up on them. Ask questions, insist on answers, and if the answers don't make sense report the people to the authorities. And keep reporting!

        Shawn Hornbeck's best friend while he was in captivity used to joke with him that he "looked like the kids in the posters," Elizabeth Smart and her captors were brief guests in the home of people who "knew something was wrong," a neighbor of the Garridos observed at least one of these girls through a hole in the fence and tried to speak with her.... I grieve to think of how many other captives are out there brushing shoulders with the rest of us every day. We... and sadly, I include myself here.... are so afraid of seeming foolish; so afraid of stepping on someone's toes or making them angry, that we may pass up opportunities to set these poor captives free. We need to trust our instincts, our gut feeling, if you will. One needn't go in with guns blazing, carrying on and making a scene. Simply taking a moment to ask a question or two, maybe make a phone call... or perhaps a second one.

        From this day on, I resolve to act.

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        Reply#7 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
        {"commentId":9160214,"authorDomain":"advocatemom"}

        I completely agree wit your message! Too many people are unaware of the dangers surrounding their families. As a victim advocate, I hear horrendus stories like this all the time. PLEASE...do research, ask questions, listen, and take action! Don't be blind to what is going on around you...listen to your gut feelings and DO SOMETHING about it!!!

        I also resolve to act!

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          #7.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":9130290,"authorDomain":"blueskyhorse"}

          I understand how conflicting this story can be, & how unbelievable. But I have perspective few others might: my father kidnapped me out of the schoolyard when I was 13, in the middle of a "domestic" - he gave me a choice, go with him or he would start shooting everyone in sight. Did I want to see my friends die & know I would be responsible? So I joined him for a jaunt through Hell. Figured one death was a whole sight better than multiple. He had 3 guns - a 12 gauge, a 30.06, & a .22 & at least 100 rounds of ammo for each in his truck & was known to shoot animals & people. He was also a pedophile & likely uncaught serial killer. People used to disappear around him. I got through with education- & guess what? 25 years on, I'm within social norms in terms of behavior, so don't you dare ever assume anyone in this situation can "never be normal."

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          Reply#8 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
          {"commentId":9130811,"authorDomain":"Margi-1302767"}

          Wow, your story is amazing, I hope that you are given the opportunity to counsel with other victims. Your strength must be amazing and I for one am proud of you for getting through what you did, intact physically and mentally.

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          #8.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT
          {"commentId":9130924,"authorDomain":"riverdtx"}

          CT, I am glad you are back with us. Your strength is a model for Jaycee to follow. Good luck to you

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          #8.2 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":9130974,"authorDomain":"survivor0791"}

          For CT Patriot, thank you so much for sharing your story. Your story is an inspiration to all those who are also survivors. I too was a victim of long term domestic violence. I broke free from my situation over 10 years ago and have gone on to graduate from college with high honors, have a successful marriage and two beautiful children. There is A LOT of hope that Ms. Dugard can survive and thrive. No doubt, the road for her and her children will be a rough one, but with strong family and community support, education, faith and LOTS of love, they may one day be telling their stories just as you have! Thank you. Also, Mr. Van Zandt, thank you for sharing the information on Stockholm Syndrome with the public. There is very little understanding and sympathy for abuse victims that stay with and sympathize with their captors. Please continue to produce articles such as this one so that there will be less victim blaming and more responsibility placed on the perpertrators!

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          Reply#9 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
          {"commentId":9131598,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

          To those who wrote re this article:

          I was kidnapped by a child predator when I was 7 years old. I escaped unharmed within minutes, but did not tell my parents or anyone else for another 50 years. Somehow I, like those about which I write, saw myself responsible and because I never came forward at that time, my abductor was left on the street to do the same to another child. I regret that mistake to this day...

          Clint Van Zandt

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          #9.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
          {"commentId":9139026,"authorDomain":"mymsnhome"}

          No, it was not your fault in any way that he was left on the street. Imagine yourself as a child, being questioned by police and defense attorneys, and trying to convince them that something really did happen. Maybe it's easier to do that now, but when I was a kid, adults, rather than children, were always believed .

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          #9.2 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
          {"commentId":9148182,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

          Des

          Thanks for your reply.

          CVZ

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            #9.3 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
            {"commentId":9158370,"authorDomain":"persuaded"}

            Mr Van Zandt... I have valued your insight for quite some time as a analyst on news programs, etc. I do understand your feelings of guilt, although I agree with the above commenter that you have nothing whatsoever to feel guilty about. In fact I wonder if perhaps that experience didn't lead you to do the things you have done in your professional life? And your professional work has done so much to put away other offenders, and to warn other potential victims as well. Your article on "How to Escape a Kidnapper" is a perfect example. The old saying that "everything happens for a reason" is an old saying because it has a lot of truth in it. You have used a dreadful life experience to enrich your own life and to benefit others. If only the rest of us could do likewise, what a better world this would be.

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              #9.4 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:02 AM EDT
              {"commentId":9159891,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

              Diane,

              Thanks. I must admit, tho, that in my adult life, probably long after my personal predator was dead and gone, I had to consider the consequences of my non action. I think if we all did as you suggest we could save future others from such predators, no matter if they are inside or outside of our homes...

              Thanks,

              CVZ

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                #9.5 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":9131517,"authorDomain":"Betty1302803"}

                I must post this. As a survivor of physical and sexual abuse I have firsthand knowledge. My family knew what was going on but did nothing because they were afraid. Abusers are very good at cowing and manipulating. Almost like jekel and Hyde. My mother was so nice in public,my father as well,so people dismissed anything off otherwise. I was soooo.... scared. I put up with it because I felt powerless to do anything, I did however get help much later,and 40 years later I still have bad dreams. That woman and her children will be O.K. if they get counseling,and if they have the mental fortitude to quit feeling guilty,even though it was never their fault. My thoughts are with them.

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                Reply#10 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
                {"commentId":9138916,"authorDomain":"mymsnhome"}

                Thank you for sharing your story. I'm amazed when someone doesn't believe children are being abused, saying their parents would never have allowed it. Excuse me? A lot of times, parents are the ones who do it.

                My parents seemed like very nice people in public, too, but definitely were not nice at all. I still have bad dreams, too, but we survived!

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                #10.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:38 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":9132798,"authorDomain":"Marie-1302863"}

                I strongly agree with Diane Schiffer's comment that this story should be a wake-up call for the rest of us to listen to our gut instincts and follow up closely when we feel that something wrong is going on around us. And also, to get to know our neighbors. We are way too isolated in this country, from even the people who live right next door to us. It reminds me of the recent tragedy of the man in Pennsylvania who killed several women and himself in a gym - he was lonely, isolated, and obviously mentally ill. One of his neighbors said if she'd known him better, she would have made a better effort to include him in things.

                Several years ago, I was hearing things in the apt. below mine that made me worried about the children living there - it sounded like they were being hit in an overly violent way. I took the opportunity to approach my neighbor in a friendly way while we were having a casual conversation - I told him I was hearing things that made me wonder if his family needed any help. He started to cry, and said "I love my children!" The mother saw me after and said "everything's OK - we don't need any help." Eventually, the parents separated and the children were OK. I later spoke to the mother about what I was hearing. She told me that I was right to offer help and to get involved - she herself had been the victim of a violent prior marriage.

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                Reply#11 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
                {"commentId":9134677,"authorDomain":"clintvan"}

                I saw an interview with the two FEMALE UC Berkley police officers! These women did what the male cops missed for 18 years!

                One of the officers is a mother who knew immediately that something was not right with the two girls.

                WOMEN RULE!!

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                Reply#12 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":9136341,"authorDomain":"kleinburg2k"}

                I perfectly know the police in most cases is very incompetent,

                or they do not care because are tired and must change job

                or they are not intelligent enough. They think know everything and

                do not listen to others suggestions or stories based on the truth.

                In my country the police do not think twice to take appropiates measures

                with delinquents. Hooray for them !!!.

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                  Reply#14 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":9142041,"authorDomain":"roshana"}

                  Dr. Van Zandt,

                  Thank you so much for posting the information on Stockholm Syndrome. I was physically, mentally and emotionally abused my entire childhood by my mother - someone others saw as 'such a lovely lady'. It got especially bad when my father died when I was 11. I kept wishing my girlfriends mothers were mine or that someone would notice and help me. I feared if I said anything to a teacher etc. I wouldn't be believed and then my mother would really take it out on me.

                  And yet I stayed with her as an adult - something I have never understood until reading this article. She made my life a hell - something I will never totally recover from - and one would think I'd have left as soon as possible, but I didn't. In the end I married the first guy who came along - a huge mistake.

                  These kind of people manage to brainwash their victims to a horrendous degree. I grew up feeling so helpless, and just ask people to believe, and help children who you have doubts about. Just a call to have someone talk with the child - police, social services, psychologist - someone who has the ability to take the children away from the monsters who fool the world. Thank you!

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                    Reply#15 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:36 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":9143227,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                    Roshana,

                    I believe there are 10s of thousands of secret victims like you across the world who shared your feelings of hopelessness and helplessness. That the people who do these horrible things can look themselves in the mirror suggests how depraved their minds really are.

                    You are a survivor and your story, and your ability to maintain your sanity, brings hope to all of us.

                    Best,

                    CVZ

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                      #15.1 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:12 AM EDT
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                      Reading everyone's posts reminds me of a girl who used to be a friend of my daughter. When she was 12, she called asking if she could stay with us because her mother was kicking her out of her house. At first, I didn't believe her because I couldn't imagine someone doing this, but she clearly believed it was true, so trying to be reassuring, I said yes she could. Well, later that night her father drove her over and gave me $30 to keep her for a few days. While she was her, this timid, but very bright girl talked about selling the very few belongings she had so she would have money to live on when she got kicked out again. It broke my heart, so I called the school and reported everything to them. Since they are mandated reporters, I assumed they would notify the proper authorities. They only talked to the father and gave him information on resources, but did nothing. A child who is so timid and is worrying about selling her belts so she'll have money to live on is in some sort of trouble. After many discussions with her, it came out that her mother had a bad temper... I didn't know her long enough to get more details. It frustrates me that, even when someone does finally get the courage to notify authorities, the authorities don't follow through. Of course, that girl is no longer allowed to be friends with my daughter.

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                        Reply#16 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":9148090,"authorDomain":"taramart"}

                        Did i read correctly that he was wearing a gps WHILE he was kidnapping Jaycee? Why didn't this location info come to light when the kidnapping happened? Doesn't anyone look at the data on those that wear these anklets?

                        Sounds like there were more than a few balls dropped here. By BOTH men and women, i'm sure.

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                          Reply#17 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":9148139,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                          Vttova,

                          I couldn't agree more with you!

                          CVZ

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                            #17.1 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":9155155,"authorDomain":"candlelady"}

                            I commend Jaycee for staying strong during this ordeal. It takes alot to make it through this type of abuse. Having a caring, loving and supportive family and community will help her and her children recover.

                            I was sexually, physically and emotionally abused by my father from the age of 8 until, the state finally took us away at age 12. Back then the abuser had the right to be in court. I was 12 trying to testify against my abusive father in open court and could not do it fully. My father walked away with 18 months probation and I was left to deal with the anger from my mother and family because I didn't tell everything. My father gave me the willies every time he looked at me. His eyes penetrated me and the look told me he was going to hurt me if said any more. I was scared to death but still loved him because he was my father.

                            My father beat me and my siblings everyday for the smallest reason. He would come into my room after the other went to bed and molested me while telling me he would kill me if I made a sound. I had bruises all over that I tried to hide with sweaters and such. He locked the pantry so we couldn't eat until he got home. He lined us all up and would beat us until we had blisters. We were in hell literally and had no way out. My teachers suspected something and called children's services many times. Each time they came out to the house and not to school. My father was present each time so none of us spoke. Finally my brother said something to my grand parents and action was taken and we were removed.

                            I am now 38 and have 6 children of my own but still have flashes of memories of what happened to me. I can't remember much of my childhood before the age of 13 as I have blocked out the rest. My family did not support me and did not get me counseling. I turned to drugs and alcohol to kill any emotion I had for the longest time. After I turned 18 I found my father and had questions for him. I needed those answers and felt I deserved them. He only had 1 answer "Because I Could". I then went myself and found a counselor and dealt with everything in a controlled setting. My family still hates me but I learned that sometimes the family you choose is better than your own.

                            I know healing will take a long time for the entire family including her mother and step father. If they stay strong like they have all this time they will make it and that is the ultimate goal. My thoughts are with this family as I know many others are there as well.

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                            Reply#18 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:16 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":9159995,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                            Candle Lady,

                            I have learned in life that bad things happen to us for one of three reasons: for our own personal growth, for us to be able to use and understand as we raise our children, and to share with others, as you do through your posting, so we can benefit from your strength and your ability to survive. Without the example we share with others they are condemned to face such situations without benefit of the experiences of those who have gone before us. This doesn't make what happened to you right in any way, but it does suggest that many can learn from how you dealt with your ordeal.

                            Thank you for sharing and for your bravery!

                            CVZ

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                              Reply#19 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
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                              Jaycee is a remarkable woman. She kept her cool and it kept her alive. There is absolutly NO excuse good enough to explain this away. Had the system worked in the first place, Jaycee would never had been taken to begin with. Had law enforcment done their job instead of disregarding hints and taking the word of convicted criminal Jaycee and the girls would have been safe sooner. Had there been communication between departments, any officer responding to the house would have known that a convicetd sex offender lived there. And had they actually bothered to poke around they would have uncovered Jaycee's hell. Hopefully the government will actually learn something this time and it will lead to a much needed revision in our criminal justice system. All of my family's love and sympathy go out to Jaycee, her daughters, and her family. We keep you in our prayers. Jaycee is obviously a strong person and we have a lot of admiration for this remarkable woman and her equally remarkable daughters. I'm a mother of two small boys, and I just couldn't imagine going through what this family went through. Unfortunately it seems criminals now have more rights than the average american citizen. It's sad that it seems that your children cant even play in their own yard or go to the bus stop anymore without serious danger lurking around the corner. And who gets the blame in these cases? The victim or the victims family, which shows you right there that our government needs to get their priorities in order and start working for us, since we pay their salaries. The hand of God is on this woman, and it's truely a miracle that she's still here.

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