Clint Van Zandt - former FBI Criminal Profiler, Hostage Negotiator, and current TV and News Media Crime Analyst

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Amanda Knox: Guilty or Innocent?

Amanda Knox in court

Meredith Kercher in life

There is only one thing both the defense and the prosecution appear to agree on in this case, someone murdered 21-year-old Meredith Kercher in the house she rented with three other young women in the centuries old town of Perugia, Italy. Murder is really an understatement though, as the circumstances of Kercher’s death indicate she was sexually assaulted, tortured, and her throat cut in such a manner that she slowly choked to death on her own blood.

Motive is always important in any crime, and the prosecution has speculated that Kercher was killed after she discovered her rent money ($444) had been stolen by her American roommate and her roommate’s boyfriend to pay their drug dealer for drugs, and that it was these three individuals that murdered the victim. This crime, says the prosecution, took place over an extended period of time, and, if you were to believe investigators, was part of a horrific drug-fueled sex game that could have been ripped from the pages of a brutal Japanese comic book. There was nothing remotely funny about this death though.

It has been over two years since the body of the young British woman was found in a pool of her own blood, her bloody hand prints found on the wall of the murder scene, indicative of her futile attempt to save her own life. Kercher’s father has said Meredith studied karate and would have fought against any assailant bent on ending her life

It was shortly after Kercher’s murder that I traveled to Perugia to better understand her murder. As part of an NBC Dateline team, we went to the crime scene and had the opportunity to discuss this case with Italian police investigators, prosecutors, and saw some of the physical evidence gathered as well as had the chance to tour the Italian CSI facility where the evidence was examined. It is this physical evidence, as well as statements made by the suspects and the post murder investigation conducted by police, that is at issue in the trial of American Amanda Knox and her ex-boyfriend, Italian Raffaele Sollecito for the murder of Kercher. Trial summations are being made and it will then be up to the eight-member jury, including two professional judges, to decide if the two suspects are guilty or innocent Kercher’s murder. Less significant charges will also need to be decided concerning the young defendants.

Prosecutors believe they have presented more than enough evidence to meet the legal threshold to convict the remaining two murder suspects (a third, Rudy Guede was already sentenced to 30 years for his believed role in Kercher’s murder). Then there are the defense teams that believe they have successfully refuted the evidence against their clients and have disproved any theory offered by the prosecution in its attempt to establish motive on the part of the defendants. Meanwhile Knox’s mother is already planning her acquittal and subsequent homecoming, to include a mother/daughter spa adventure, this as “Amanda’s hands are rough and raw as she does her own cleaning in the prison and the chemicals do that to her hands.” Prosecutors, for their part, have asked that both Knox and Sollecito be sentenced to life in prison. As in any criminal prosecution, one side will feel justified with the verdict returned by the jury while the other side will feel a great injustice had been done. And with the absence of an eye witness to Kercher’s murder, at least one who is willing to testify, the jury must depend on the available physical evidence, or at least the 180 degree difference of opinion concerning the interpretation of the evidence as offered by the prosecution and defense witnesses, as they consider individual guilt or innocence.

The Evidence

Every piece of physical evidence has been in contention in what for some has become the media trial of the century in Italy. Depending on which media outlet you have followed this case through, i.e., American, British or Italian, or whether you followed blogs dedicated to Amanda’s defense or justice for Meredith, you too will have noted the exact opposite interpretation of the evidence, this depending on your belief of the former young lovers’ guilt or innocence.

The murder weapon. As most know, Meredith’s throat was cut. While both sides agree that the exact murder weapon has not been found, the prosecution contends that a knife with a 6 ½ inch blade found in Sollecito’s apartment (noting he was a knife collector) was similar to one of the edged weapons used to cut and kill the victim. This same knife, though it had evidence of vigorous cleaning (with investigators noting the powerful smell of bleach in the apartment), was found with the DNA of Knox and trace evidence of DNA that was deemed similar to that of the victim, but due to the miniscule amount of DNA, it could not be positively identified as that of Kercher’s. And were it to have been the victim’s DNA, Sollecito sought to explain it away stating that the victim had accidently been cut with the knife while cooking in his apartment. The prosecution contends there is no evidence Kercher was ever in Sollecito’s apartment and that; in fact, due to her low opinion of Knox, she would not have gone to his apartment. “Close enough” for prosecutors, but is “close” really “enough” when you face life in prison? Point, counterpoint.

The bra clasp. Investigators believe that Kercher’s bra was cut from her body after her death, perhaps to further support the idea that the victim was assaulted by an unknown offender who had entered the residence via a broken window and cut the bra during a sexual assault. Although not recovered in the initial CSI processing of the crime scene, a bra clasp was later found on the floor of the murder apartment. On the clasp; the victim’s blood and Sollecito’s DNA. The prosecution not only believes this evidence places Sollecito at the crime scene, but also puts him with the victim at the time of her murder. The defense, for its part, points out that the clasp was not found for six weeks, indicating it could have been contaminated at the crime scene or even at the police laboratory, this while the prosecution counters with the fact that DNA evidence has been recovered long after other crimes had been committed and still used to convict a suspect. Point, counterpoint.

The broken window. The defense suggested that an unknown offender, probably Rudy Guede, threw a large rock through a rear window of the victim’s residence, this in order to gain entry into the second story and to the victim herself. The prosecution, for its part, argued that the glass from the broken window was on top of items in the room that was already in disarray, i.e., the window was broken after the assault and murder, probably to give the appearance that someone had entered the residence via the broken window. I’ve stood below the broken window and believe it could have been too high off the ground to have been a point of entry by an intruder. Police point out that the hole created in the window was too small for someone to have entered the room without cutting himself while climbing through the window. Point, counterpoint.

The bloody footprints. If you have ever watched CSI on television, you know about Luminal, a chemical sprayed at a crime scene that reacts to a component found in blood. Under the appropriate lighting conditions, traces of blood sprayed with Luminal glow a bright blue. Other blood evidence at the crime scene, however, was easily visible to the human eye, especially when you consider the large amount of blood Kercher lost in the course of her murder. The prosecution suggests that some blood evidence had been cleaned up at the crime scene by the killers. The prosecution presented evidence that Knox’s footprints were found in Kercher’s blood, to include prints of her exiting her own bedroom and one print just outside of the victim’s bedroom, facing into the room. While the defense says that absence of prints leaving the room in which Kercher was killed should exclude Knox, the prosecution explains this away as indicative that some prints had been cleaned up by the killers.

Then there was a bloody shoeprint found on a pillow under the victim’s body. The prosecution produced a science expert who indicated the print was that of a woman’s shoe, between a size 36 and 38. Knox wears a size 37, but a defense expert testified that the alleged print was nothing more than evidence of a fold or crease in the pillowcase. Point, counterpoint.

There were also footprints found at the scene of the crime that the prosecution attributes to Sollecito, this by the various individual characteristics of the print, which the prosecution matched to the male suspect’s foot; comparisons disputed by the defense.

The mixed blood evidence. Knox’s blood and the blood of the victim were allegedly found comingled in multiple places around the crime scene, to include the bathroom, in one of the bedrooms and in the hallway. While chance would have it that perhaps both women had somehow left blood at one location, the statistical probability that this mixed blood or DNA could be found in multiple locations seems to be a stretch, even for the defense. While it is difficult, if not impossible to accurately date blood evidence, Knox testified that there was no blood in the bathroom the day before Kercher’s murder, therefore apparently dating the damning blood evidence to the night of the crime, and by her own statement seeming to place her at the crime scene at or near the time of the victim’s death. The same mixture of DNA was found in a bloody footprint in the hallway and in a roommate’s bedroom, more evidence that is hard to refute. The defense, though, acknowledges that Knox had entered the residence the morning after Kercher’s murder, perhaps accounting for the overlay of physical evidence. Point, counterpoint.

The Alibi

Knox initially told investigators she was in her apartment at the time of Kercher’s murder, further indicating that Patrick Lumumba, a Congolese man who owned a local bar where Knox worked, and who allegedly was considering terminating Knox and hiring Kercher, had murdered the victim during a violent attack. Knox and her defense team later indicated Knox was simply responding to a request by police to imagine what she thought could have happened to Kercher vs. actually being a witness to such an offense. Knox is also being charged with defaming Lumumba, and it will be up to the jury to determine whether Knox tried to implicate another in a murder she had committed or if she was simply overwhelmed by overzealous investigators. It was Knox, after all, who said investigators deprived her of food, drink, legal counsel and struck her in the head, all in their attempt to extract some type of statement to force her to implicate herself in this brutal crime. Point, counterpoint.

Knox has testified that she could not have been involved in Kercher’s murder as she spent the night of the murder in Sollecito’s apartment, and in his bed. She also indicated they watched a movie on Sollecito’s computer during the believed time of Kercher’s murder. Sollecito, for his part, has testified that Knox was in his bed that night, but he was unsure if she stayed the entire night, this as they were both under the influence of drugs that evening. Investigators, for their part, proved that Sollecito’s computer was not used during the critical time surrounding Kercher’s time of death. Both suspects had also allegedly turned off their cell phones the night of Kercher’s death, evidence, actions that the prosecution suggested were taken by the two so as to deny police the ability to trace the location of their phones that night. But could the two, while under the influence of drugs, nonetheless have been so cunning to have thought this out in advance, thereby suggesting some type of premeditation on their part? Were Knox and Sollecito lying to cover their role in Kercher’s murder, or were they just too stoned to accurately recall their activities and simply made up a story to cover their lack of memory? Point, counterpoint.

And while Knox continues to profess her innocence as well as her friendship with the victim, the prosecution believes her to be one of three people responsible for Kercher’s death, with robbery, revenge and sex being the various motives for the three alleged killers. It his attempt to paint the suspects with the darkest brush possible, the prosecutor has said the three alleged killers acted in an “uncontrolled and drug-fueled crescendo of violence.” The Knox and Sollecito defense teams suggest a far simpler motive for murder. Guede, with a past history of drug use and sales, home invasions and crimes committed with a knife, had broken into Kercher’s residence while she was home alone, assaulted and murdered her and stole her rent money. He alone is the murderer and he has already been sentenced, so let those who continue to profess their innocence go free. Period.

The Trial

Knox and Sollecito have been imprisoned for more than two years. Their trial has slowly moved along for the past eleven months, this with court sometimes held for only a few days per week with breaks and recesses for up to two-months at a time. For some, Knox and Sollecito are two of a three-person murder team that committed a crime almost too terrible to talk about, were it not for the tabloids reporting on the case on a daily basis. And while many believe the case to be a prosecutive slam-dunk, there are many others who believe Knox and Sollecito to be but two more victims, in this case victimized by a cruelly creative and overzealous prosecutor who tried to force the meager evidence against the young couple to fit this terrible crime and his bizarre explanation for the motive for murder. Why would the prosecutor do this? Perhaps, say some, to make the charges of prosecutorial misconduct against him in yet another case disappear. After all, should he win this current case he will be somewhat of a hero, and heroes usually don’t go to jail. Only the guilty, and those innocents erroneously found guilty do…

Conclusion

There is one thing for certain though; something said by Amanda Knox’s mother, Edda Melias. She said the biggest mistake she made was not getting Amanda on a plane from Italy to America when Kercher’s body was initially found. Knox, like so many other Americans, has found that while there is much to criticize about our criminal justice system, if you are a U.S. citizen you do not want to be arrested for a crime outside of the USA.

Within a few weeks the jury will render its decision and the fate of two young people will be determined for years to come. And for Amanda Knox; she will keep her spa date with her mother and probably write a best seller about her trumped up run-in with the Italian criminal justice system, or she (and Sollecito) will spend the rest of their lives in separate Italian jail cells. While America's standard for conviction is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the Italian jury may use a standard that could consider the significant public opinion that runs against the suspects.

Which side do you believe the jury will come down on?

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(For more commentary on this case, see my prior postings at: http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/31/3099308-amanda-knox-the-prosecution-rests-for-the-woman-called-angelface,

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/16/2554571-amanda-knox-says-the-italian-cops-beat-her-confession-out-of-her;

"Brutal Murderer or Just too Sexy for the Cops" at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25371590/; and

"Murder in Ancient Perugia" at http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22188940/

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{"commentId":10862662,"authorDomain":"roover685"}

I had my first trip to Italy this spring.  It is a beautiful country! After returning, I read the book "The Monster of Florence" and discovered the darker side of this culture.  My friends and I had been joking about learning one of the phrases included in our Italian language book: "I do not understand the charges against me." I think now I DO understand why that phrase was in the book!  From the account of the investigation of the serial killer, which is the subject of the book, I was appalled at what I learned of the criminal justice system there and thankful that I never had any run-ins with the law.  I am hoping that Amanda is cleared of the charges, but I am doubtful as well.

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    Reply#1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:20 AM EST
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    Cat,

    Some insiders believe she will be found guilty and released upon appeal. Time will tell.

    Tks,

    CVZ

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    #1.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:18 PM EST
    {"commentId":10893741,"authorDomain":"continentalia"}

    You shouldnt be surprised that all countries have a not so nice side, but that you take 'The Monster of Florence' as evidence of anything about Italian system of justice or Mr.Mignini's habitus, is choking. Get the perspective right: its a crime novel, written by a fiction author for making money, and a fiction writerwho is very angry because Mr. Mignini refused to let him interfer with an investigation.

    C

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      #1.2 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:07 PM EST
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      C

      Many times life (in books and movies) immitates reality, one many take as true reality. This is how history is rewritten over and over again.

      Best,

      CVZ

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      #1.3 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:24 PM EST
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      {"commentId":10889587,"authorDomain":"chet123"}

      "This same knife, though it had evidence of vigorous cleaning (with investigators noting the powerful smell of bleach in the apartment), was found with the DNA of Knox and trace evidence of DNA that was deemed similar to that of the victim, but due to the miniscule amount of DNA, it could not be positively identified as that of Kercher’s"

      The whole knife debacle is one of the more absurd things I've seen in a criminal case--and quite frankly it's embarressing the level the prosecution is going with this. It's obvious that the knife the prosecution showed is not the murder weapon. For one, independent experts at the end of the trial in effect said it wasn't. Second, the DNA found on the knife wasn't even blood, and was a single cell! Third, there wasn't enough for a second test, so it's not even a conclusive result.

      Moreover, there was a bloody imprint of a knife found of a different size than the kitchen knife. So what did the prosecution do? They just conveniently changed their theory and said that it was two knives instead of one. And of course they can justify this by saying wounds are "compatible" with different size knives (and again, don't forget what the independent experts testified to on the last day of court).

      Also, under cross examination, the experts had to recant that they smelled "bleach" and just that the apartment smelled "clean".

      Cliff, you wrote "though it had evidence of vigorous cleaning". What knife in a drawer isn't clean? You've worked with the FBI. Doesn't this just reek of BS to you? "Vigorously cleaned"? It's either clean or it's not. And plenty of knives have scratches on it. Do you know of any other cases where investigators thought a knife was vigorously cleaned just by looking at it?

      Anyways, thanks Cliff. An interesting read. IMO that knife is not the murder weapon.

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      Reply#2 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:13 AM EST
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      Chet,

      This is really a story that people choose to line up on one side or the other. When first presented the evidence and theories of the prosecution, I believed what they said. Now, though I question the many lies told by Amanda and her boyfriend, I have not seen the evidence needed to convict in the USA. We'll see if that holds any water in Italy...

      Best,

      CVZ

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      #2.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:27 PM EST
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      {"commentId":10890558,"authorDomain":"hel"}

      Hi Clint,

      You wrote the following about the double DNA knife:

      "...but due to the miniscule amount of DNA, it could not be positively identified as that of Kercher’s."

      This is not true.

      Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni testified at the trial that the DNA on the blade of the knife has been reliably identified as Meredith’s.

      Both Dr. Renato Biondo, the head of the DNA Unit of the scientific police, and the Kerchers’ own DNA expert, Professor Francesca Torricelli, provided independent confirmation that this forensic finding is accurate and reliable.

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        Reply#3 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:53 AM EST
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        Harry,

        One more battle between experts for the defense and the prosecution. Just because either side said it, does not, in and of itself, make it true. If a member of the jury at this point, how would you vote and why?

        Best,

        CVZ

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        #3.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:28 PM EST
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        Hi Clint,

        Guilty.

        From whatever angle I look at the evidence, I come to the conclusion that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty of murdering Meredith:

        1. The multiple conflicting alibis and the fact they still don't have credible alibis for the night of the murder.

        2. The contradictory and conflicting witness statements.

        3. The deliberate and repeated lies that were exposed by telephone and computer records, and by CCTV footage.

        4. Amanda Knox's voluntary confession that she was involved in Meredith's murder and the fact that this confession contained significant elements of truth.

        5. Judge Paolo Micheli's claim that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito knew precise details about Meredith's murder that they couldn't have known if they weren't involved.

        6. Various independent forensic experts - Dr. Patrizia Stenoni, Dr. Renato Biondo and Professor Francesca Torricelli - categorically stating that Meredith's DNA was on the blade of the double DNA knife.

        7. The five instances of Amanda Knox’s DNA mixed with Meredith’s blood in three different locations in the cottage in Via della Pergola: the bathroom, the hallway, and Filomena’s bedroom, where the break-in was staged.

        8. An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA being on Meredith's bra clasp. Meredith's bra had been cut with a knife and Sollecito must have touched the clasp as it cut the strap.

        Judge Paolo Micheli pointed out that Meredith's bra had been removed some time after she had been killed.

        9. Two independent imprint experts categorically excluding the possibility that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat could belong to Rudy Guede.

        Lorenzo Rinaldi stated:

        "“You can see clearly that this bloody footprint on the rug does not belong to Mr. Guede, but you can see that it is compatible with Sollecito.”

        The other imprint expert print expert testified that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat matched the precise characteristics of Sollecito’s foot.

        10. The woman's bloody shoeprint on the pillow under Meredith's body matched Amanda Knox's foot size, but was incompatible with Meredith's foot size.

        11. Raffaele Sollecito's forensic expert, Professor Vinci claim cthat he had found Knox's DNA on Meredith's bra.

        12. The Murder Dynamic.

        Barbie Nadeau wrote:

        "Countless forensic experts, including those who performed the autopsies on Kercher's body, have testified that more than one person killed her based on the size and location of her injuries and the fact that she didn't fight back—no hair or skin was found under her fingernails."

        13. The fact that the break-in was clearly staged with witnesses testifying that there were shards of glass strewn on top of Filomena's clothes. This proves that the room was the window was broken after the room had been ransacked.

        There were no marks to indicate that the somebody had climbed up the wall and no blood or DNA on the broken glass.

        No-one managed to the scale the wall and climb through the window when Sollecito's defence team attempted to show that it was possible.

        14. The tampering of the crime scene. Judge Paolo Micheli wrote in his 106-page report that Meredith's bra was removed and her body was moved some time after she had been killed.

        15. The witness testimonies, especially the testimony given by Antonio Curatolo and Nara Capezalli.

        Antonio Curatolo testified that he saw Amanda Knox and Raffale Sollecito watching the gate of the cottage from Piazza Grimana on the night of the murder. Curatolo is regarded as an honest and reliable witness by Judge Paolo Micheli.

        Nara Capezalli claimed she heard a terrified scream and then two or more people running away.

        Another witness Antonella Monacchia corroborated Nara Capezalli's testimony about hearing a woman's loud scream.

        16. Suspicious Mobile Phone Activity

        Amanda Knox's and Raffaele Sollecito's mobile activity on the night of the murder was suspicious and highly unusual. They turned off their mobiles at approximately the same time shortly before Meredith was killed.

        Police investigator, Letterio Latella, testified that Knox's and Sollecito’s mobile phones were inactive most of the night, and that activity on their mobile phones stopped almost simultaneously.

        Latella stated that he did not find any evidence of a similar “blackout” of Knox's and Sollecito’s mobile phones in the month before the murder.

        Investigators have said that both Knox and Sollecito’s phones were usually on until late at night and would come back on in the late morning.

        17. Amanda Knox's false accusation of Diya Lumumba after she had been informed that Sollectio had told police that she had asked him to lie for her and he had stopped providing her with an alibi.

        Kind regards,

        Harry

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          #3.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:27 PM EST
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          Harry,

          Good overview of the evidence against the two suspects. The defense is fortunate you are not a member of the jury!

          Best,

          CVZ

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            #3.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:22 PM EST
            {"commentId":11088883,"authorDomain":"alex-30"}

            1. Their lack of credibility lies in the fact that police didn't believe they were together?

            2. I assume Knox and Sellecito are the witnesses you refer to. They were kids being interrogated with methods designed to break the Mafia. And why, if they were at the murder scene, didn't they crack and mention Rudy Guede?

            3. Again, a lot of these "lies" came as a result of coerced confessions. They were forced to make up stuff about where they were.

            3. What CCTV footage? The only footage I know of shows Meredith arriving home.

            8. That sat out in a live crime scene for six weeks? That was passed back and forth by a team that had access to Raffaelle's DNA on the door?

            15. What do you make of the fact that Nara Capazelli was never interviewed by police or that Curatola is a homeless man? You really think those are credible witnesses?

            17. How about the fact that police believed that Lumumba was involved after reading Amanda's text messages? She didn't point the finger at him... they did.

            Last question: do you categorically believe everything the police and prosecutors claim? Or did they get anything wrong, in your opinion? No hostility implied, I am merely curious.

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              #3.4 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 2:30 AM EST
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              {"commentId":10893456,"authorDomain":"continentalia"}

              Dear Clint,

              Any mother wants her daughter to be innocent, and close to home, but why are you participaing in this mocking of Italy? Im not italian, but from a European perspective, it is incredibly to experience how US citizens feel so special, that if they are threated equal to the rest of us, you think it is a mistake. In the case against Amanda Knox you seems to assume it to be a investigative misconduct that she is threated just like any other world citizen – italian, german or australian.

              Amanda has by the italian police being threated as any other murder suspect. That’s the point of justice. If she is being threated different, it is in a positive manner because she is young and a foreign citizen. That US citizens does not trust the Italian system of justice is a etnocentric prejudice, and claiming tha US citizens cannot get a fair trial outside US, is hybris on behalf of the american people. Dont participate in this construction of’ ‘if only this case has been in US’ then Amanda would never have been put to trial. This would be like claiming that in US you find it just to let killers of the hook – like OJSimpson – and we prefer to trust you as far as this is not the idea of US justice!

              Continentalia

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                Reply#4 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:56 PM EST
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                Conti,

                While I believe she should have been tried, I question the hard evidence that proves murder and puts her at the crime scene. I have tried to keep an open mind regarding the evidence and not line up on one side or the other.

                Regards,

                CVZ

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                #4.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:31 PM EST
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                {"commentId":10901265,"authorDomain":"no-latitude"}

                Why is it Amanda testified that Meredith made disgusting sounds as she lay dying? Amanda even imitated the sounds in court. Amanda supporters, please tell us how she knew what Meredith sounded like as she was choking on her own blood after her throat was cut? How could she have known if she wasn’t right there?? She said she sounded "yukky." No one ever seems to bring this important fact up.

                I think it’s fair to say, based on her testimony and also the staged window break-in -- Amanda had the key and wanted it to look like the killer didn’t have the key to get in, so they staged a phony break in -- plus the fact that Amanda knew Meredith would be alone and vulnerable, it leaves no doubt that she is guilty.

                She and Raffaele can lie all they want, but the evidence plus her testimony in court overwhelmingly point to GUILTY of torture and murder. Money buys freedom for the guilty who are well funded in the U.S. but hopefully not in Italy. Case closed.

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                  Reply#5 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:57 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10918817,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                  Kristen,

                  It will be cased closed very soon, but the outcome is still up in the air, and either side will likely appeal once the jury comes in with a verdict. I know killers who have gotten away with murder and innocent people who went to prison for a false accusation of murder. Would you vote to convict at this point?

                  CVZ

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                  #5.1 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:33 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":10906739,"authorDomain":"GP-1491536"}

                  Mr Van Zandt

                  Have you never heard of extradition? Wouldn't it be better to advise Americans not commit murders abroad, not to make up a shifting series of miserably transparent lies when they do, and to advise their familys to face up to the truth, rather than advising them to cling to a persecution fantasy that avoiding a foriegn arrest will get their family member off the hook? The TRUTH, and REMORSE for the terrible things that happened, Mr Van Zandt, were Amanda's chance for mercy. Possibly she may have been capable of that before her mother showed up, with a pack of media enablers. They have done her no favors with this theme, and neither have you, by indulging them.

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                    Reply#6 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:34 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10918845,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                    GP

                    Interesting, as I've been suggested as having backed Amanda (like you), when the writer feels her guilty, and of backing the prosecution (see the above)? Somehow we can all read into what someone says and come out with our own opinion, no matter if it is correct or not.

                    I'm seeking the truth and evidence to support it, something that is in contradiction in this case.

                    Regards,

                    CVZ

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                    Reply#7 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:36 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10921408,"authorDomain":"jejohnson"}

                    Well, I just posted, but it seems that post was lost...

                    I have to say that the physical evidence is not all wrong, statistically speaking. And whatever there is of it that holds water, becomes immense in my eyes when paired with Knox' blatant false accusations of an innocent man who just happened to be African, while another African male who was involved just happened to be unknown and on the run at the time she told such a incredible lie.

                    Oh, and I am an American, and I live in Perugia. To me, Knox and Sollecito are guilty of something... and that "something" at least contributed in some way to her roommate's death. And, their total insistence of complete innocence implies to me that they are likely guilty of more than just carelessness and smoking hash...

                    The prosecution may have some rough edges, but the defense really really smells.

                    However, I'm feeling they will get acquitted, eventually. While the one already convicted will serve his sentence with good behavior and get out in 15 years.... and Knox becomes the subject of books and movies... and they all find a way to make a nice buck off the whole thing, despite the laws made to prevent such a thing.

                    They all, that is, except Kercher...

                    All around, a sad, tragic, tawdry, pathetic story.

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                      Reply#8 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:37 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10925471,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                      JJ

                      I'm afraid Meredith's parents are awaiting answers that they may never receive...

                      Be Safe,

                      CVZ

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                      #8.1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:39 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10944939,"authorDomain":"smorgans"}

                      Clint,

                      I enjoyed reading your article. It's interesting trying to find truth and understanding in this case. From what I have read, almost all the evidence is suspect and the accusations seem to fit a story instead of what actually happened. I would think that if this case were tried in the US it would be thrown out due to the handling of the crime scene by police and investigators. I agree with you that here in the US, this case doesn't cross the threshold of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. When I read the CNN article that came out a couple weeks ago ("Amanda Knox's parents say their daughter is no killer") I was shocked! What the press would have the world believe really does sound like it's from a movie, sick and twisted but a movie non-the-less. And I totally believed it through and through, the statements of guilt were so concrete they didn't afford any room for doubt. But the (CNN) article's contents and the fact that my view went from resounding guilt to somewhere near the middle made me seriously question the prosecutor's case against the two defendants.

                      I agree with you, both the defense and the prosecutors have incredible stories. So after everything I've read I would vote "not guilty". The only piece of evidence that I was not aware of before reading your article AND makes me have a little doubt is the presence of the Meredith and Amanda's blood mixed in pools located in multiple areas of the house. Would you please give me your interpretation of this piece of evidence? Do you think there's anything that would explain it other than she is the murderer?

                      As funny as (I think) it sounds, having no understanding of that piece of evidence I would probably still vote not-guilty. That says something about the case...

                      Regards,

                      SM

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                        Reply#9 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:14 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10946830,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                        SM,

                        Knowing that the defense, and those defending Amanda, have refuted every piece of evidence, or suggested such was the result of contamination, I agree with you that it is hard to view this case and, with a totally open mind, find absolute guilt or innocence. Amanda's defenders blow off everything the prosecution suggests, but it was Amanda's own words and actions that have made her suspect, now with the physical evidence offered by the prosecution. When you read Harry Rag's 11/29 posting above, you can see why many believe Amanda guilty. The prosecution believes otherwise and the case is so tainted from both sides that true justice may be hard to obtain. Like in any criminal trial, one side will feel vindicated while the other side will feel cheated when the verdict in delivered, something like a past election in America...

                        CVZ

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                          #9.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":10955183,"authorDomain":"sshill4"}

                          From what I know about the criminal justice system and read about this case I would say "Guilty." Harry Rag summed up much of the evidence best, but for me the two suspects lack of an alibi, and Knox's confession proves it for me.

                          As a former law enforcement officer, 12 years of which as a homicide detective, a long time proscutor, now retired would say in court about defense attorneys attacking the police/investigators, "If you have no defense, you attack the police." And that is what we see here. The defense has to attack the confession so what do they do? They say Knox was hit in the head and forced to confess. Where's the evidence of that? Knox lied to the investigators and they knew it. In response, the investigators used an interviewing technique asking Knox in essence if she wasn't involved in the murder who was. Rather than saying, "I have no idea," Knox blames the murder on an innocent guy. That interviewing 101. A guilty person will give you someone else to get the heat off of them. The defense attacks the police on this point by saying she was overwhelmed by overzealous investigators. Again no evidence of that. The interviewing techniques and investigation suggest experience investigators and I find it hard to believe they would try to convict an innocent person, especially when the attacks are coming from defense attorneys.

                          No alibi and confession! Guilty!

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                            Reply#10 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:05 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10961505,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                            sshill4

                            I share your opinion of the interview techniques used by the authorities. You and I have both developed statements from suspects using similar techniques, and we know they work without a slap on the head of the suspect.

                            Let's see how their jury considers the evidence and the weight they put on each portion.

                            Thanks for your professional input!

                            Be Safe,

                            CVZ

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                              #10.1 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:22 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":10960753,"authorDomain":"MM-1494890"}

                              Dear Clint,

                              I'm hoping for your take on a few questions.

                              I have heard that there was a receipt for bleach in Raffaele's apartment, then I heard there wasn't. Can you clarify?

                              How much bleach was found on the knife? People clean knives, but not usually with bleach....

                              Can you explain why there isn't more evidence of Raffaele's presence at the murder scene other than the bra clasp? The bloody footprint is contested, and beyond that I think it's just the bra clasp, right? Has there been mixed blood there too? There seems to be ample evidence placing Rudy at the crime scene, and several mixed blood stains placing Amanda there, but why not more placing Raffaele there? If they were all involved in more or less equal degrees, why would the amount of evidence against them vary so much?

                              Is it possible that Raffaele wasn't part of the murder but tried to cover up for her or dispose of evidence? I've thought it strange that they're prosecuting them at the same time when they may have played different roles in the events.

                              How much indication is there that Rudy knew Amanda and Raffaele? Is there evidence that they all agreed to meet at the apartment that night? That, to me, would be very damning.

                              Finally, I was all on the prosecution's side until they started to make indications that seemed like grasping for straws. For instance, they point out that her and Raffaele's videotaped hugging when the police arrived was inappropriate for the circumstances when it looked like they were just comforting each other. If their side is so strong on its own, why did they feel the need to raise these less convincing arguments?

                              Thank you for your insight.

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                                Reply#11 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:29 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10961605,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                MM,

                                Having been in Italy, at the crime scene and having met with investigators and the CSI folks there, I can say they take a somewhat different approach than we would here in America. It is the job of the defense to challenge and dispute every piece of linking physical evidence in the case for if one piece proves correct, why shouldn't the rest of the evidence be correct?

                                Re the mixed blood, it would appear that were Raffaele were there the night of the murder, and if he played any role in the murder, he evidently was not cut and, therefore, did not bleed where it could be found. The police, of course, would know if any of the suspects had cuts on their hands, etc.

                                The prosecutor's theory is just off enough to make you question both his explanation for the motive for murder and the role, if any, that the two suspects on trial played. When those who support Amanda refute and/or disregard any evidence concerning her, disregarding, for example, her attempt to place another person at the crime scene, many are left to wonder what her real role was that fateful night.

                                Best,

                                CVZ

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                                  #11.1 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:28 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10961775,"authorDomain":"MM-1494890"}

                                  Thank you, Clint. Can you shed any light on my questions about the rumors about a receipt for bleach, whether there was bleach found on the knife, and whether there is any evidence that the three had arranged to meet there that night?

                                  Is there any non-blood evidence linking Raffaele to the crime scene other than the bra clasp? If he was involved in a sex game, wouldn't there be something else like hairs?

                                  Also, is it customary to prosecute them together rather than consider the possibility that they played different roles?

                                  Finally, it's pretty clear that Rudy was involved with the murder. The question is whether Amanda and Raffaele were also involved. What has Rudy said?

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                                    #11.2 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:41 PM EST
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                                    {"commentId":10987198,"authorDomain":"scout-march16"}

                                    I've followed this case for quite some time and I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that both Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are completely innocent of this crime and will be released from prison very soon.

                                    Rudy Guede is the sole rapist and murderer of Meredith Kercher. What I believe happened was that Guede (a known drug dealer and thief) was in need of some quick money so he decided to rob a house during that weekend when many students were out of town for a national holiday. He was familiar with Meredith and Amanda’s flat (since he knew the tenants below them) so he tried to see if they were home by throwing a rock at the window. When no one responded to the rock smashing the window he broke into the house through the front door (that may or may not have been locked). He was in the process of robbing the apartment when Meredith came home alone that night after watching movies with friends. With no way out of the house without being seen by Meredith and seeing that no one was around, Rudy raped and murdered her. This kind of crime, though horrible; happens quite often in many parts of the world. A sexual predator finds a lone victim and attacks him/her. Rudy Guede has been convicted and sentenced to 30 years in prison for the rape and murder of Meredith Kercher. Case closed.

                                    If Amanda and Raffaele are unjustly convicted of this crime it won’t be one young life lost but three.

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                                      Reply#12 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 5:09 AM EST
                                      {"commentId":10997137,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                      Scott,

                                      While I appreciate your well thought out theory, to my knowledge Guede does not have an extensive history as a sexual predator, nor does anything he's done in the past suggest the torture that he would have put Meredith (but this goes the same for the same two suspects on trial). I hope all who have followed this case so closely will have some comfort in the deliberations and decision of the jury.

                                      Thanks for your analysis>

                                      CVZ

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                                        #12.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 3:33 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":11054833,"authorDomain":"nokilissa"}

                                        Thank you, Scout. Precisely how I have seen it. And CVZ, your rebuttal here seems odd, given that 'extensive history' would not be necessary, and given that certainly neither Amanda nor Raffaele had any history at ALL of the capacity to commit torture, rape and murder.

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                                          #12.2 - Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:18 PM EST
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                                          {"commentId":10991295,"authorDomain":"david-1497985"}

                                          Clint,

                                          Thanks for your balanced analysis of the case.

                                          The defense contends there is no DNA of Knox that places her in the room. There is, of course, Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp regardless of what either side wants to make of it.

                                          Taking this aside for a second, I'd like to get your opinion on the following...

                                          A timeline of events according to the prosecution:

                                          Event A - whatever happens before the murder - arguing, etc.

                                          Event B - the actual murder

                                          Event C - the staging of the crime scene in Filomena's room

                                          Event D - the ensuing clean-up

                                          By logic, Knox and Sollecito wouldn't engage in Event C or D if they were not complicit in Event B. i.e. Nobody stages a crime scene or cleans up if they didn't commit a murder.

                                          There is arguably ample evidence to suggest this was a staging. Position of the window relative to the road, leaving it in plain view. The difficultly in scaling the window. "Better" windows that would provide for easier access. The lack of a large enough break. The difficulty in throwing a nine-pound rock that high and far. And if it was a burglary by Rudy, as the defense suggests, it was strange he didn't take Filomena's things of value in plain sight.

                                          As for the clean-up, there is ample evidence as well. The Micheli report details how the body was repositioned, so arguably somebody came back into that room. Luminol footprints prove there was a clean- up since blood appears via the chemical when it has been cleaned.

                                          My inquiry to you is this...

                                          Given the logic of Events C and D above, if the prosecution just proves that Knox and Sollecito engaged in Event C or D, or both, is that enough - in your view - for a conviction? It seems to me that just introducing the mere possibility that Knox and Sollecito committed the murder (Event B) would be enough if they could prove the staging or clean-up. (Again, DNA claims by the defense aside.) FYI, this is considering for the time being only the possibilities that either they committed the murder or they didn't. Leaving out "in betweens" such as being accessories to murder or witnesses to the crime.

                                          I've heard some analysts say that the alleged bloody footprint by Amanda in Filomena's room is more incriminating evidence than the knife, and the defense hasn't really contended it. Amanda has originally claimed to have never entered that room. Will such evidence that puts them at the staging and clean-up be enough?

                                          Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks for all your contributions Clint. They've been very helpful to all of us.

                                          David

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                                            Reply#13 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:27 AM EST
                                            {"commentId":11016463,"authorDomain":"ch76"}

                                            I find all of this very compelling, but one big question I have is why haven't either Raffaele or Amanda turned on each other? Cut a deal and leave the other one hanging? It seems rather oddly loyal for two people who dated for a short time to keep the other's huge secret. In light of the evidence, animosity, and weight of the crime they face, it seems rather odd that neither would deal, placing more weight on the other's role in the crime, especially at their young age. This alone has me questioning their guilt. It may just be my ignorance of the Italian court system (most likely), but this is something I can't shake...

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                                            Reply#14 - Thu Dec 3, 2009 3:22 PM EST
                                            {"commentId":11018763,"authorDomain":"clintvanzandt"}

                                            CH76,

                                            I was told by an Italian Investigator that there would be no offer of immunity for any of the three suspects and that if one turned on the other two, that his or her testimony would also count against them.

                                            CVZ

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                                              Reply#15 - Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:58 PM EST
                                              {"commentId":11048425,"authorDomain":"ch76"}

                                              Clint,

                                              Thank you so much for your response. It is seemingly a moot point now, but out of curiosity, is that stance common practice in Italy when there are co-defendants?

                                              Thanks!

                                              Charlotte

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                                                #15.1 - Sat Dec 5, 2009 11:17 AM EST
                                                {"commentId":11102094,"authorDomain":"barbaramarliss"}

                                                Don't be surprised if Sollecito finally cuts Knox loose at the time of the appeal.

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                                                  #15.2 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM EST
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                                                  {"commentId":11024511,"authorDomain":"david-1497985"}

                                                  Clint,

                                                  Thanks for your balanced analysis of the case.

                                                  The defense contends there is no DNA of Knox that places her in the room. There is, of course, Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp regardless of what either side wants to make of it.

                                                  Taking this aside for a second, I'd like to get your opinion on the following...

                                                  A timeline of events according to the prosecution:

                                                  Event A - whatever happens before the murder - arguing, etc.

                                                  Event B - the actual murder

                                                  Event C - the staging of the crime scene in Filomena's room

                                                  Event D - the ensuing clean-up

                                                  By logic, Knox and Sollecito wouldn't engage in Event C or D if they were not complicit in Event B. i.e. Nobody stages a crime scene or cleans up if they didn't commit a murder.

                                                  There is arguably ample evidence to suggest this was a staging. Position of the window relative to the road, leaving it in plain view. The difficultly in scaling the window. "Better" windows that would provide for easier access. The lack of a large enough break. The difficulty in throwing a nine-pound rock that high and far. And if it was a burglary by Rudy, as the defense suggests, it was strange he didn't take Filomena's things of value in plain sight.

                                                  As for the clean-up, there is ample evidence as well. The Micheli report details how the body was repositioned, so arguably somebody came back into that room. Luminol footprints prove there was a clean- up since blood appears via the chemical when it has been cleaned.

                                                  My inquiry to you is this...

                                                  Given the logic of Events C and D above, if the prosecution just proves that Knox and Sollecito engaged in Event C or D, or both, is that enough - in your view - for a conviction? It seems to me that just introducing the mere possibility that Knox and Sollecito committed the murder (Event B) would be enough if they could prove the staging or clean-up. (Again, DNA claims by the defense aside.) FYI, this is considering for the time being only the possibilities that either they committed the murder or they didn't. Leaving out "in betweens" such as being accessories to murder or witnesses to the crime.

                                                  I've heard some analysts say that the alleged bloody footprint by Amanda in Filomena's room is more incriminating evidence than the knife, and the defense hasn't really contended it. Amanda has originally claimed to have never entered that room. Will such evidence that puts them at the staging and clean-up be enough?

                                                  Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks for all your contributions Clint. They've been very helpful to all of us.

                                                  David

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                                                    Reply#16 - Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:10 PM EST
                                                    {"commentId":11036851,"authorDomain":"saint-martin-of-tours"}

                                                    How come nobody seems to comment on the conflict between the testimony of Rudy Guede during Knox/Sollecito's trial (he was there visiting and a white guy killed Kercher) and the prosecutor's theory of the crime (sex game involving the three defendants)? It doesn't make much sense to me to have a "star" witness tell a completely different story than what you're proposing.

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                                                      Reply#17 - Fri Dec 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                                      {"commentId":11043418,"authorDomain":"amanda-knox-guilty-or-innocent"}

                                                      I'm disgusted by the show called "evidence" against the poor girl when it's obvious that she's not guilty.

                                                      1) Being forced to "talk" for more than 40 hours in a 3 day span is horrible. It would've been a never ending nightmare and in a nightmare, you would do anything to make it stop. So what if she "confessed" of hearing screams; she was desperate! That and they were confusing her with "What if you were there?" situations.

                                                      2) The knife had the smallest of tracing of DNA and no chemical evidence of blood. It is the chemical evidence that would've been important because of the fact that it can't be erased or covered up by bleaches and etc.

                                                      3) The bra was laying in the apartment for an extended period of time before it was thought of as "evidence". They did live there so obviously there's going to be DNA "evidence" all over the place.

                                                      4) The "fake" phone calls and the computer traces. They once again are scared. If they are finding none existent evidence against me, I would be panicking to! That and he did make a phone to someone who could considered apart of the authorities but it was a relative.

                                                      5) They turned off they're phone before the murder. If I wanted "alone" time, I would turn off my phone to.

                                                      6) There is no reliable physical evidence at the site of the murder. If anything, the boyfriend at least had no evidence what so ever and yet he was also convicted guilty.

                                                      7) The break in scene, why is it that no one is blaming the guy, who by the way WAS convicted guilty and had physical evidence against him, of staging it? He was also a drug dealer for crying out loud and ran from the country!

                                                      It was the media who ruined the image for this poor girl and if I was from Italy, I would be ashamed. Even my seven year old brother is sadden by this case and thinks she's just a kid who got thrown into a horrible situation. I know what it's like to go abroad and how easy it is to have miscommunication problems. I also know for a fact that the opinion of Americans is horrible, in Japan they thought the average American was "crazy", "rude" and "cool" (personally, I don't understand why they thought that me being an American jerk would've been cooler). I hope she is declared innocent in the appeal.

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                                                        Reply#18 - Fri Dec 4, 2009 10:57 PM EST
                                                        {"commentId":11102076,"authorDomain":"barbaramarliss"}

                                                        Knox was never forced to talk for 40 hours.

                                                        Why don't you read the transcripts for yourself.

                                                        BTW, even her attorneys admitted that the police didn't abuse Knox. They know she's a liar, but, her family is paying big bucks to try and clean up this murder's mess.

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                                                          #18.1 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 6:41 PM EST
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                                                          {"commentId":11088491,"authorDomain":"alex-30"}

                                                          I believe Rudy Guede acted alone. It is the most plausible conclusion based on the evidence I've seen thus far. He had a criminal history of theft done in a similar manner. He was a semi-pro athlete who could have scaled the wall and made it through the window. I believe that he broke in to rob the house of its rent money, thinking that no one was home. Comically, upon entrance via Filomena's window, he had to go to the bathroom. He was on the toilet when Meredith arrived home, which is why he didn't flush. He attacked and killed her, robbed her, and exited either via her room or the front door.

                                                          When Amanda arrived at the house the next morning, the front door was open. She wasn't initially suspicious because they had been having problems with the door popping open. (I have lived in properties that had similar quirks; I believe that story as a result.) She took a shower, but became suspicious upon exit when she noticed blood on the shower mat.

                                                          Amanda's "confession" was coerced. The police were suspicious of her texts with Patrick and that was why she implicated him. If she had been there, she would have given them Rudy's name. She had no reason, after 14 hours of terror, to protect Rudy Guede. She barely knew the guy.

                                                          The most telling bit of evidence, to me, is that Rudy didn't turn on Amanda until months after the crime. He was facing a serious sentence and still didn't throw her under the bus. I find it impossible to believe that she was there as a result of that. Given what he was facing, the first thing he would have done was give Amanda and Raffaele's names. He couldn't supply them because they weren't there.

                                                          As for the so-called DNA evidence, I think the bra clasp was contaminated. The knife isn't the murder weapon and that probably isn't Meredith's DNA on the tip. The blood in the bathroom is the only strong bit of evidence against Amanda, but it wouldn't be enough for me to convict. Given the ineptitude of the cops and their outlandish theories, I have to side with the defense.

                                                          An innocent girl was brutally murdered, and an innocent girl is in prison. This is the real crime.

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                                                            Reply#19 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 1:02 AM EST
                                                            {"commentId":11095037,"authorDomain":"karl9000"}

                                                            It's not surprising to see how the tabloids in the UK have not only succeeded in dumbifying such a large portion of the population in the UK (i.e those who read the tabloid "newspapers"), but also cheerleading a mob who can't seem to think for themselves and who are therefore resorting to the typical jingoistick English pack mentality.

                                                            Furthermore, it's appaling that in the land of Magna Carta, the principle of "presumption of innocence" is ignored by the for-profit tabloids, and that in Italy In dubio pro reo seems to be all forgotten although Italy is a signatory state to the European Convention of Human Rights (Article 6.2).

                                                            http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo

                                                            Now, any police investigative unit in an open society should be able to demonstrate transparency in their interrogations of suspects. Audio and video recordings of all the interrogations should therefore be made available not only to lawyers representing the defense, but also to researchers in general.

                                                            If audio and video recordings of the interrogations of miss Knox in Perugia are not made available, or if none, or few, such recordings were ever made, then clearly, the Perugia Police not only cannot refute miss Knox's claim that she was mistreated, but it also indicates that they want to "hide" their interrogation techniques as they are not compatible with modern day Investigative Interviewing.

                                                            In Investigative Interviewing, any interview conducted for the purpose of gathering accurate and reliable information about an event and situation should be regarded as an excersise on testing alternative hypotheses. Just as scientists try to arrive at the truth by ruling out rival hypotheses, or by falsifying favoured hypotheses, police interviewers (interrogators) should also attempt to rule out alternative hypotheses, rather than simply trying to confirm what they already believe.

                                                            In non-Investigative Interviewing, there's a considerable risk of a detrimental impact of bias. First, biased interrogaters tend to inaccurrately report the contents so that these contents of the interview are consistant with their own priory beliefs. Second, when interrogaters believe they know the truth about an event or an individual, they tend to overlook, screen out, or ignore relevant and vital information. Third, biased interrogaters tend to shape both the accused and/or witnesses' reports (through the use of misleading or closed questions that restrict the range of possible answers) to be consistent with their hypotheses about what happened. The potential damage of misleading an accused and/or witness should not be underestimated. Misinformation has been shown to be detrimental to accuse's later testimony, regardelss of whether or not the false details were initially rejected

                                                            In fact, Investigative Interviewing is a rejection of the manipulative interrogation techniques which is still being taught to both Canadian and US police cadets, and as it looks now, to Italian police cadets as well.

                                                            The critique of these manipulative interrogation techniques from social scientists are threefold.

                                                            A. The interrogation methods are based on the fact that the interrogator can read the body language og the accused.

                                                            It's been documented by systematic research that few interrogators, if any, are able to read the body language af an accused with a higher percentage score than pure guessing (Vrij 1999).

                                                            http://www.springerlink.com/content/t12g14p435h3w202/

                                                            B. Manipulative interrogation has led to innocent accuses choosing to confess.

                                                            In about 25 percent of the cases with documented wrongful convictions there were due to false confessions (Scheck and Neufeld 2001).

                                                            http://www.amazon.com/Actual-Innocence-Barry-Scheck/dp/0451203658

                                                            C. These manipulative interrogation techniques raises highly critical questions regarding ethics.

                                                            In their hunt for confessions, American interrogators are trained in techniques to distort the accuse's sense of reality through different forms of manipulation and lies. (Gudjonsson 2003).

                                                            http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0191886906000432

                                                            Finally, it's ironic, that it currently seems like Italian police interrogators and their American colleagues just might have more in common than what is presently assumed.

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                                                              Reply#20 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 1:08 PM EST
                                                              {"commentId":11102044,"authorDomain":"barbaramarliss"}

                                                              Well, of course we all know they were found guilty. It will be interesting to finally hear the jury's reasoning behind the guilty verdict.

                                                              They were able to see ALL of the evidence, unlike the rest of us. Not just a snippet about DNA here or there or listen to Knox Family endless snivelling and slandering Italy.

                                                              Ha-ha -- now the Knoxes say they want to move to Italy -- the country they despise so much -- and wait for Amanda. Good luck with that. Hopefully, murder doesn't run in the family, but who knows ...

                                                              Verdict: GUILTY AS HELL

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                                                                Reply#21 - Tue Dec 8, 2009 6:39 PM EST
                                                                {"commentId":11110418,"authorDomain":"kyle-1984"}

                                                                I've heard repeated claims that Amanda Knox was caught on CCTV entering the flat the night of the murder; obviously, this would be damning evidence if true. I've tried to confirm this but have found nothing conclusive, rather, I've seen what appear to be media leaks from early on this case (November 12, 2007) which were never verified subsequent to their release. Can you shed some light on this, Mr. Van Zandt?

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                                                                  Reply#22 - Wed Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST
                                                                  {"commentId":11113676,"authorDomain":"matt-in-la"}

                                                                  "Good luck with that. Hopefully, murder doesn't run in the family, but who knows ..."

                                                                  Marliss, please save this kind of childish nonsense for your myspace page. Thanks.

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                                                                    Reply#23 - Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST
                                                                    {"commentId":11115980,"authorDomain":"matt-in-la"}

                                                                    Hey Kyle-1984,

                                                                    Pretty sure that was just one of the many false and inflammatory rumors released by the Italian police to the media, along with the false reports of receipts for bleach, and other things which, interestingly, never made it into the prosecutions case. As far as I'm aware, the only CCTV video admitted into evidence was this one, which prosecutors claimed showed Kercher and Guede entering the flat together the night of the murder:

                                                                    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1734239.ece

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                                                                      Reply#24 - Wed Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM EST
                                                                      {"commentId":11118013,"authorDomain":"kyle-1984"}

                                                                      Matt,

                                                                      Thanks. I suspected as much. This lie was cited on the O'Reilly Factor by one the legal analysts (Kimberly Guilfoyle) as evidence of Amanda's guilt; she obviously did not check her sources.

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                                                                        Reply#25 - Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST
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